Holyfield vs. Frazier

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mendoza, Aug 4, 2020.

?

Holyfield vs. Frazier

  1. Holyfield via TKO/KO

    3 vote(s)
    7.3%
  2. Holyfield via decision wide decision

    1 vote(s)
    2.4%
  3. Holyfield via close decision 1-3 points

    8 vote(s)
    19.5%
  4. Frazier via TKO/KO

    6 vote(s)
    14.6%
  5. Frazier via wide decision

    2 vote(s)
    4.9%
  6. Frazier via close decision 1-3 points

    18 vote(s)
    43.9%
  7. Frazier vis split decision

    3 vote(s)
    7.3%
  8. Draw

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2007
    Messages:
    55,255
    Likes Received:
    10,355
    Rules :

    VADA Testing / No PED's
    15 rounds
    10 point must system
    Ref - Mills Lane

    I could see it going multiple ways.
     
  2. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2020
    Messages:
    7,901
    Likes Received:
    9,157
    This is tough and a helluva fight. As great as Holyfield was, Frazier's style is bad for Frazier. Holyfield gives Frazier some rocky rounds from early to middle rounds, and probably is more problematic for Frazier than Ali was. Frazier MD 15. Frazier's later rounds have always been priceless and almost untoppable.
     
    Brixton Bomber and Mendoza like this.
  3. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2007
    Messages:
    16,455
    Likes Received:
    15,636
    Frazier clean UD. I wouldnt rule out a TKO either
     
  4. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2020
    Messages:
    7,901
    Likes Received:
    9,157
    Frazier clean UD certainly possible. Evander was never stopped in his prime.
     
  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2007
    Messages:
    51,471
    Likes Received:
    25,972
    Potentially one of the most entertaining fights ever. An all out war to be sure. Give the circumstances set by the thread starter I can see it going a variety of ways too.
     
  6. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2018
    Messages:
    7,132
    Likes Received:
    8,861
    Frazier by close decision. Frazier’s stamina edges him out this win.
     
    RockyJim and PhillyPhan69 like this.
  7. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2007
    Messages:
    16,455
    Likes Received:
    15,636
    Hes lucky he wasnt around when Frazier was either
     
    Brixton Bomber and Reinhardt like this.
  8. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2020
    Messages:
    7,901
    Likes Received:
    9,157
    I don't think anyone could stop Evander in his prime, but Frazier was that good, I respect your position.
     
    RockyJim likes this.
  9. mochabuzz

    mochabuzz Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    589
    Likes Received:
    85
    If this is 90 holyfield vs 71 Frazier....
    If it turns into a slugfest I could see Holyfield getting knocked out. The best case scenario for Holyfield is MD victory. My guess, Frazier by UD or knockout in the mid rounds.
     
  10. ideafix12

    ideafix12 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2010
    Messages:
    2,012
    Likes Received:
    864
    Frazier points
     
  11. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2014
    Messages:
    28,280
    Likes Received:
    37,991
    With no PEDs Frazier wins a comfortable decision.
     
    Reinhardt likes this.
  12. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2012
    Messages:
    6,837
    Likes Received:
    4,175
    If you mean to say that testing for PEDs ensures that there are none used, then Frazier is a strong favorite.
    If you meant it is VADA tested but maybe as in real life certain substances are not tested for or detected-& as in real life only The Real Deal used PEDs- I would make Frazier a slight favorite.

    Trouble for Holyfield is when he was clean or mostly so & had excellent endurance & workrate, he still could not outwork peak Frazier.
    And he both is inclined to brawl, & it would be near impossible to evade the pressure anyway.

    When Holyfield was stronger he would have a chance due to tying Frazier up & the effects of anabolics.
    Still he is unlikely to be able to KO Frazier absent near Formanesque power.
    And he would not have the same stamina then.
     
  13. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2016
    Messages:
    14,166
    Likes Received:
    19,366
    Evander doesn't punch hard enough to keep Joe off, he gets worn down.
     
    Flash24, Mendoza and robert ungurean like this.
  14. CharlesBurley

    CharlesBurley Well-Known Member banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2020
    Messages:
    2,065
    Likes Received:
    1,881
    Holyfield's superior technical boxing wins out. He'd outjab Frazier and time Frazier with straight rights down the middle and not concede the centre of the ring. Holyfield hit harder than Ali and had better stamina so can stop Frazier coming forward. Holyfield matches Frazier's workrate but lands cleaner and first.
     
    Toney F*** U and Johnny_B like this.
  15. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2007
    Messages:
    16,455
    Likes Received:
    15,636
    Dont kid yourself. First off Frazier isnt letting him do any of that. Holys not disciplined to do that all night with Joe even if he could. He'll want to stand and trade and that's when he gets beaten down
     
    Flash24 and Reinhardt like this.