Hopkins vs Monzon

Tough fight to pick, probably the best two middleweights in history.

 

Did they? I read only harshly critic in the various boxing boards while the media hyped him. He was hyped after Hopkins but the hype was over pretty fast. And right now nobody hypes him and you still are whining like a baby. Give that man his due.

 

Good stuff thanks.

 

Monzon won all of his 160 lb title fights

Hagler didn't win his first or his last

Hopkins didn't win his first two or his last two

 

Thanks for the trouble Robbi. Appreciate it...Interesting info!

 

It's all debatable and Hopkins can be put up against anyone. Personally I go with Monzon. I see him as less likely to be drawn by Hopkins or hagler than they are by him, and that's the key with these 3 guys. All were super durable. All highly skilled. All severely underrated earlier in their careers.

The guy who picks Hopkins by a TKO needs to edit his post...

 

Monzon, Hopkins lost to the best two middleweights he fought at 160.

 

I think B-Hop is a stronger, crisper fighter at 175 and is drained @ 160. I think Hagler and Monzon where stronger at 160

 

Interesting post Robbi. Thanks.

 

Yes, just now he's a better light-heavyweight than middleweight. He's never returned to middleweight since the Taylor defeats. However, he made 160 easily.

Here are some facts on Hopkins at middleweight. Between fights he never went above 166lbs, even late in his career at the weight. His waistline was around 28". And against De La Hoya he made 156lbs when he was 39 years old.

Hopkins was willing to meet De La Hoya at jr middleweight back in 1999-2000 when he was looking for a big fight. De La Hoya was a welterweight at the time and Hopkins was willing to meet him halfway. I have no doubts that he could have made 154lbs. No doubts.

Hopkins made middleweight easily. No question about it whatsover. And guess what, I couldn't care if his first professional fight was at light-heavyweight or he came in well over the weight for a few fights after that.

Hopkins was a solid natural middleweight like Hagler, he just happened to have the frame to comfortable move up. His height obviously helped.

The man had discpline.

 

I wasn't whining you stupid twat, I was giving my opinion of him as a fighter. Your stupid ass was the one who decided to once again get personal. Grow the **** up.

 

Bernard Hopkins, 1998.

"After I beat Simon Brown in my last defense on HBO, I told the world I was broadening my challenge. Since none of the top 160-pounders are willing to fight me, I'll do what the racehorses do and I'll take an impost. I'll carve another six lbs off this tall skinny body of mines and I'll fight anybody at 154lbs.

On De La Hoya.

"I think he is killing himself to stay down and beat up little guys. I think he could very easily get up to 154lbs to fight me"

 

Hopkins also said that fighters at welter and light middle should be 'made' to come up to 160 or something equally pathetic.

 

Hopkins was willing to move down below his natural weight to fight De La Hoya at 154lbs. Unlike Hagler who declined to fight Leonard at jr middleweight. He wanted Leonard to come up the way up to 160lbs. And it's not as if Hagler was even interested in fighting Leonard at 154lbs. I never once heard Leonard say he wanted to Hagler to fight him at 147lbs.

 

I think you and I know that any Hagler-Leonard fight made most sense at middleweight, just like a Hagler-Spinks fight wouldn't have made any sense at 160. Stepping up is far more commonplace than stepping down.