hwt championship alternative timeline?

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  1. Langford

    Langford Active Member Full Member

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    Always a fun game to play.

    Simply put, what does the heavyweight picture look like throughout modern history if:
    1. There is no color line.
    2. A fighter can not retire, he must be carried out on his shield, but it is likely that they retire after they lose the belt. (if retired in reality)
    3. You must fight the number one ranked contender sometime in a year.
    4. no alphabet soup champs, follow the linear arc throughout.
    5. Title fights are held to the standards of the times. 12 rounds now, 15 before that, to the finish or multiple rounds before that.

    :bbb

    Starting with Sullivan v. Corbett 1892.
    Corbett 1892-1893
    Jackson 1893-1896
    Corbett 1896-1897
    Fitzsimmons 1897-1898
    Corbett 1898-1899
    Jeffries 1899-1906
    Johnson 1906-1911
    Langford 1911-1914
    Wills 1914
    Langford 1914-1915
    Jeannette 1915-1916
    Langford 1916
    Wills 1916-1920
    Dempsey 1920-1925
    Tunney 1925-1930
    Godfrey 1930-1931
    Sharkey 1931-1932
    Schmeling 1932-1933
    Baer 1933-1935
    Braddock 1935-1936
    Louis 1936-1949
    Charles 1949-1951
    Walcott 1951-1952
    Marciano 1952-1958
    Patterson 1958-1959
    Liston 1959-1963
    Ali 1963-1967 (sadly still stripped)
    1967-1970 Vacant
    Frazier 1970-1973
    Foreman 1973-1974
    Ali 1974 -1978
    L Spinks 1978
    Ali 1978-1979
    Holmes 1979-1985
    M. Spinks 1985-1987
    Tyson 1987-1990
    Douglas 1990
    Holyfield 1990-1992
    Bowe 1992-1993
    Holyfield 1993-1994
    Moorer 1994
    Foreman 1994-1995
    Bowe 1995-1997
    Lewis 1997-2001
    Rahman 2001
    Lewis 2001-2005
    Byrd 2005-2006
    W. Klitschko 2006-2008
    Povetkin 2008 -
     
  2. SteveO

    SteveO MSW Full Member

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    Why the vacancy?
     
  3. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why say Rocky doesnt retire, and till around on Ali?? regardless, Ali would have went on in this alternative timeline. No stripping.
     
  4. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Tyson 1988-1990. Kills D'Amato for not wanking him off under the table in 1989.
     
  5. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Cus used to give Mike regular hand jobs, to keep him from raping young girls and boys. Everyone knows this.
     
  6. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Tyson attempted to **** at least five men that I know of. They are:


    Maurice 'Termite' Watkins
    The drummer from Kool and the Gang
    The little ginger lad from Diff'rent Strokes
    Cus D'Amato
    Ed Moses
     
  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    A perfect timeline?

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    . It would just have been a matter of waiting for Sullivan to get old enough.

    Corbett would probably not have beaten Jackson prime for prime but again Jackson would have got old first. I think he would have had a good chance of regaining the title from Fitzsimmons given a rematch.

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    . One way or another.

    If Johnson had defended his title against the black dynamite crew one of them would have relieved him of the title before Willard did. Probably Sam Langford. It is possible to imagine the title changing hands a few times but eventualy Harry Wills would have brought order to the heavyweight division as the black dynamite crew got older.

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    untill Jack Dempsey came along. He was the best out there for a significant period. I think that Tunney was always going to be the man who seperated Dempsey from the title.

    Tunney could have been around for a few years but as he got older he could have been taken by Sharkey or Schmeling. If Schmeling had got the decision against Jack Sharkey he would probably have held the title for a few defences and Carnera might never have been champion.

    I think Baer was always going to bludgeon his way to the title and loose it quickly.

    Joe Louis should probably have been given a shot at the title after he beat Max Baer in which case he would probably have been the champion in his first 18 months as a pro!
     
  8. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have posted this before:

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  9. janitor

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    Louis Schmeling I complicates things.

    Schmeling should have got a shot at the title after this fight which would in efect have been the title on a plate.

    Conversly Louis might already have had the title and it is possible to imagine Schmeling releiving him of it.

    Also Schmeling should have been in against Max Baer in place of Jimmy Braddock. If Baer shatters his hand early in the fight against Schmeling he is a cooked goose.

    So
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    If Louis stayed on untill sombody retired him then I think Walcott would have done it on the third atempt. Yes seriously.

    Whatever the case Rocky Marciano would eventualy have become champion. If Marciano stayed on untill sombody beat him he would have got past Floyd Patterson. My best guess is that he would have lost his title to Edie Machen. It is just the way that it would have unfolded. Maybe Patterson wins the title off Machen. Either way Sonny Listons shadow is looming over the division.
     
  10. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If michael spinks tried to unify the belt against pinklon thomas or tim witherspoon, do you see either of them beating him back in 1985-1986.
     
  11. janitor

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    Obviously Muhamad Ali should not have been releived of the title outside the ring. I think he would still have lost it to either Frazier or Norton and regainsed it.

    I think the last couple of years of his title reign would have been loped off by either young or Norton at no real loss to his standing. In this scenario nobody has heard of Leon Spinks

    Larry Holmes is coming one way or another. He is always going to be the key force in the heavyweight division over a long period but he might loose the title and possibly regain it at some point. Either way Spinks relievs him of the title.

    It is quite possible that Spinks looses the title to Tony Tucker if he defends it against him.

    Either way Tyson is coming and his career unfolds the same way.

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    Either Way Lewis is coming.

    If Lewis was determined to stay on he could still be a force today but I think that he would have been taken by Wladamir Klitschko by now.
     
  12. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    No wya in hell Langford beats Johnsons or Byrd beats Lennox
     
  13. janitor

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    It is just a matter of Johnson being old enough. Eventualy there must come a point where Langford can take him.
     
  14. Langford

    Langford Active Member Full Member

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    I agree. If we wanted to go to 1888 it seems as though Godfrey vs. Jackson would have been, an all fairness, an eliminator. Jackson won this,
    so it seems as though Sullivan's championship reign would come to an end the following year. Jackson is now Champion and after Kilrain beats Godfrey, Kilrain becomes really the number one guy. Interesting to see a Jackson vs. Kilrain title fight in 1892 or so. I do think that Corbett could beat Jackson on the downside. Lose to Fitz, and then beat Fitz to get it back.

    Yes. Burns and Hart seem like champions by default. Based on the Hart victory over Johnson, Hart can challange, and lose to Jeffries. Or a rematch can occur and this time Johnson gets the nod. I think in 05-06 Jeffries still beats Johnson. In a rematch Johnson wins in my mind. It is in a rematch that Langford beats Johnson holding on to it until Wills, maybe passing it around a little bit to Jeanatte and losing to Wills first and then regaining it.

    Yeah. 1915-16 through the war until the early twenties would be the Wills era. Willard and Fulton and the aging BD fighters become defenses. I do see Dempsey taking Wills, however.

    I don't see Sharkey beating Tunney, I think Tunney would have given his best performance against Sharkey, since he disliked him so much. Maybe Sharkey would have turned in one of his great performances too. Could have been a helluva fight. I like the idea of Tunney losing after a 5-6 year reign to either Godfrey or Schmeling.

    Yes. He would have done enough to become champ, but would not have had the mind to keep it all that long.

    I see it that Baer still fights Braddock and Braddock still is the right guy at the right time. I still see Schmeling beating Louis, pre title.
     
  15. Langford

    Langford Active Member Full Member

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    You think there would have been a need for Walcott v. Louis III. especially after the KO? I think in 49 Charles becomes mandatory and Charles goes on to beat Joe Louis.

    What about Marciano's back and the fact that his style might only give him a few prime years anyway? Machen or Folley are possible candidates to beat Marciano in 57 or so. Machen vs. Liston could then be for the title. Is it possible here that Machen/Folley beats Patterson as a title defense and Floyd misses the championship?