Hypnotization In Boxing

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  1. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Lads this one's been on my mind for a long while. Tonight's discussion on McClellan-Benn has sparked me to make this thread.

    The Use of Hypnotization In Boxing.
    Benn and Collins famously used it as well as other fighter's to prepare for big fights.

    Fighter's say it gives them that extra edge and helps them perform better then normal.

    Does it push fighter's to perform beyond the pain fresh hold??. Do you feel it could end in potential disaster. Does it give a unfair advantage if used?? and lastly...Do you think it should be allowed????

    I like to know your thoughts on it??

    Here's Chris Eubank's thoughts :lol:
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m_pcPhWp0w[/ame]
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svF1n3l-6xs&feature=related[/ame]
     
  2. johna_83

    johna_83 31/10/2010 Full Member

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    Not really a big deal for me. Generally boxers of a decent standard are in peak physical condition and its their mental strength that makes the difference. Some fighters are born mentally strong, some may feel they need a helping hand to get them in the right frame of mind.

    For me its just one of many ways to help a fighter get in the right frame of mind. Like visualisation, relaxation techniques, mind games with their opponent.

    Didn't Frankie Gavin's opponent the other weekend go to Uri Geller?! I won't have a bad word said about Uri mind, he single handedly broke our London hoodoo at Arsenal when we hadn't won in the capital since about 1842!
     
  3. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Good post...i see what people can say in defense of it and what people feel is wrong with it...i'm half and half...maybe proof's in pudding. Just something i've wondered about for while. Eubank was seriously bothered by it :lol:
     
  4. icemax

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    Nigel Benn could have gotten himself killed against McClellan, what he did with Paul McKenna went beyond any simple act of hypnotism. Listening to Benn after the fight talking as though there were two Nigels in the ring that night, the imaginary Nigel who got hurt and the real Nigel who didn't and who was in control, was frankly scary.
     
  5. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    This is why i've made the thread when i heard that interview his jaw looked ****ed and he just cam through a war but not like most fighter's he was lively and still wanting a war. Normally fighter's in a fight like that are spent by time they get to interviewer.
     
  6. johna_83

    johna_83 31/10/2010 Full Member

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    I don't think i've actually seen the interview, i'll have to have a look at it.

    Its a very good thread because it is quite a controversial area, and i can sort of see it from both points of view. To me tho its just a way for a fighter to train their mind, much like they train their body in camp leading up to a fight.

    As i said earlier, for some fighters their physical peak and knowing that they've pushed themselves to the limit and done all they possibly can physically in camp is enough for them mentally. They know they couldn't have done anymore so mentally they're very strong going into the fight. Others who maybe aren't so naturally strong mentally feel that just physical shape isn't enough and feel that they need a little more focus and help for their state of mind.

    Very interesting topic tho, looking forward to hearing the general consensus on this one. Got a feeling it might divide opinions....
     
  7. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    I definatley see what your saying and see you put forward a good case. Icemax does have a point about Benn i must say...wish some more people would add there views as you said interesting topic.

    Thanks for your contributions so far lads.
     
  8. loughlan

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    If hypnotizaton effects your pain barrier surely it should be classed as an unfair advantage to hold over your opponent.Your mind is more powerful than any drug so I don't think it should be allowed.
     
  9. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Very Very good point. Forcing yourself through things you would never do normally is extremely dangerous and wrong imo.
     
  10. NO MAS

    NO MAS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Its all about mindset, you don't mind and it don't matter...:yep

    Who wants it the most, that's where it counts...:good
     
  11. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Looks like a landslide vote in terms of it being no big deal. Thanks everyone that posted there thoughts much appreciated.
     
  12. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I strongly believe that mental toughness and the ability to overcome adversity - either during a contest or after losing one.... is a very important part of an elite sportsman/woman. I'd go a step further and say it almost defines their career.

    Examples.....

    Kelly Holmes.

    Extremely talented athlete, however one that suffered a shocking string of injuries at the wrong time. A lesser character would have chucked it in, but she made every effort to get herself as fit as she possibly could be, and ended up doing what no other British athlete has ever done - the 800/1500m double..... whilst past her best at the age of 34.

    Steve Redgrave

    Overcome diabetes to win five Olympic golds in a row.

    Tim Henman

    Clearly a good (if one-dimensional) tennis player, but one that froze on the big occasion, for a variety of reasons, public expectation being one of them. On his big chance when all the higher ranked players had bombed out, he goes and loses to grandad.

    The England football team

    Nuff said!

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    I don't see it as a big deal. 99% of athletes will do something that is legal if they believe it will help them. To many this sort of thing is a load of mumbo jumbo anyway, though I think there's a bit of something in it.
     
  13. NO MAS

    NO MAS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who remembers Glen Hoddles faith healer...:think

    When Ray Parlour went in she said to him what can I do for you and he replied "Can I have a short back and sides please...!"...:lol:

    Glen Hoddle hit the roof...:happy :happy :happy
     
  14. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl Ledge
     
  15. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Yeah - Hoddle went way too far by having compulsory sessions.

    She said she removed demons from Gazza..... funny how they all returned the moment Hoddle told him he wasn't going to the World Cup (IMO he was right to sack him) and have been there ever since.

    If I was the manager of a group of players I'd certainly encourage having a padre around, someone for the players to speak to in private if they had any issues.