If Carl beats Andre....

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  1. CapsLock

    CapsLock Active Member Full Member

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    Is he better than Joe?
    And therefore I assume better than Nigel, Chris etc etc
     
  2. Joe Ko!

    Joe Ko! Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I dont think so, he would have acheived more in a shorter amount of time, Calzaghe never had the big fights straight away and one after the other like Froch has.

    Froch would need to beat Bute and 175 bunch to go over Calzaghes achievments, and Im a Froch fan.
     
  3. What about Murray, Robin, Richie and Glenn?
     
  4. miguel2010

    miguel2010 His hands are his weapons Full Member

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    just who were joe's big fights???
     
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    servo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    WHEN he beats Andre, no.

    He definitely has the potential to though. He has a range of different options lying ahead of him and if he is savvy he could better him. Bute and a move to 175 for starters would be great, as Joe pointed out.
     
  6. Joe Ko!

    Joe Ko! Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I dont rate many of his wins, Im just trying to be unbiased :think
     
  7. miguel2010

    miguel2010 His hands are his weapons Full Member

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    kessler was a good win for me.......if he had of fought rjj and bhop earlier and won, then he would get a lot of respect from me.
     
  8. joegrundy

    joegrundy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bhop is a difficult one considering how much he is still offering today, over 3 years later
     
  9. miguel2010

    miguel2010 His hands are his weapons Full Member

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    yeah, but what would have happened if joe fought bhop in lets say 2002/3
     
  10. Joe Ko!

    Joe Ko! Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hopkins was a great win, he was still elite.

    Calzaghe would have been huge if he got the wins over unbeaten Pavlik and tekn Dawson's "0"
     
  11. SuspiciousChees

    SuspiciousChees Active Member Full Member

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    I think he loses to Calzaghe but has better career wins ...
     
  12. joegrundy

    joegrundy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He IS still elite, confusing
     
  13. I think it's fair to say he'd be considered greater, yes. But still not a better fighter, I'd favour Calzaghe over him H2H and think that prime vs prime he'd hand Froch a pretty clear decision defeat.

    It's a bit like Jones and Hopkins, one is better than the other, but the other has achieved more in the sport and deserves to rank higher.
     
  14. The_Daddy

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    resume wise - yes
    talent wise - no
     
  15. chatty

    chatty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If he wins his next few fights then he probably goes well ahead

    Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham, Jonson, Ward, Bute, Kessler>>>>>Eubank, Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins, shot Jones Jnr

    So if he can beat Ward this year and then Bute and rematch with kessler next year he has achieved more than Calzaghe despite what happens after that imo