Irish Boxing

Show me the way to the next whiskey bar..................(Irish Whiskey that is)

 

I think you've been on the whiskey yourself tonight.And if I didn't have to go out soon, I would most gladly join you.

 

ive been thinking this for a while myself

would be a good step up for pajo and it would get him a nice ranking

if pajo has a good chin and i think he dos from what ive seen of him he should win in a war

 

Don't know about that moorser. I'm sure he could win but I don't think going to war with Choi would be a good idea. I'd hope he could outbox someone as crude as him

 

Boxing: Feather move key to Dunne's future

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Bernard Dunne in action during his defeat against Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym at the O2 Arena last Saturday












By Thomas Myler

Thursday October 01 2009

WHAT now for Bernard Dunne? Was his demolition at the clubbing fists of Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym last weekend the end of the road for him? Hardly.
The Dubliner (29) is taking a break for the next couple of months, which will lead him into the New Year with two options, always providing he does not take the advice of former Olympic gold medallist Michael Carruth, hang up his gloves and take up a job as a fireman.
He can stay at superbantamweight or move up to featherweight. The latter might appear to be the better choice as he would seem to have gone as far as he can at the lower weight, particularly as Kratingdaenggym looks like being around for a while yet. Remember too that featherweight was the division where he had most of his early fights after first turning pro in the US in 2001.
If he stays at superbantamweight, forgets about world titles in such a competitive division, and goes on the continental title trail, he is still going to have to meet the reigning European champion Rendall Munroe.
Munroe is the strong English southpaw who has always claimed, rightly or wrongly, that Dunne was avoiding him. Munroe has won 19 of his 20 fights and also holds the Commonwealth belt.
The European featherweight division is less competitive, as is the world scene at this weight. Nevertheless, there are still a few danger men at world title level, notably Chris John of Indonesia who has 42 wins in 44 fights and who holds the WBA title. The American, Steven Luevano, is also to be respected, with 37 wins, one loss and a draw and holder of the WBO championship.
Effectively, as Dunne knows already, it's tough at the top and whether he can ever again reach the heights he attained in the past remains to be seen. But there is still big money to be made, even if he missed out last weekend on a seven-figure deal to meet Mexico's formidable Israel Vasquez at featherweight, at a US venue in November.
Vasquez has been out of action for the past 18 months because of surgery to a detached retina and had to relinquish his WBC superbantamweight title. He said in Los Angeles yesterday that he was disappointed when hearing of Dunne's loss, and had warned Dunne recently that Poonsawat was a dangerous foe and one to be fully respected.
"Bernard and I sparred each other almost every day in Freddie Roach's Wild Card gym in Hollywood when he was starting out. He was boxing at featherweight then, and I think that is the division he should get back to.
"We would have done very well financially if we had fought as arranged before the Kratingdaenggym match, but that's how it goes. You win some, you lose some."
Vasquez, winner of 43 of his 47 fights, returns to the ring on October 10 when he meets the tough Colombian, Angel Antonio Priolo, in Los Angeles.
Meanwhile, Dunne's coach Harry Hawkins said last night that he thought Kratingdaenggym would clean up the division. "He is easily the best out there," he said. "A strong fighter and as tough as a tank."
SHORT JABS
DUBLIN lightweight Oisin ***an believes in keeping busy. Fresh from his impressive win in two rounds over Juris Ivanovs at the 02 last weekend, he climbs into the ring at the National Stadium on October 24 against an opponent to be named shortly.
It's one of the chief supports on 'The Best of the Irish' card being staged by Dolphil Promotions. The headliner is a return billed as 'The Battle Royal,' between Dublin middleweight rivals Robert Long and Anthony Fitzgerald. They met in a thriller at the Citywest Hotel in January when Long won a close decision.
- Thomas Myler
Irish Independent

 

That article makes it sound like Munroe is a big threat to Dunne, far from it I'd say.
Who would Dunne have to beat to get ranked high enough with the IBF to be eligible to challenge for the title? It looks like Steve Molitor and Takalani Ndlovu are going to fight it out for the IBF title when Caballero moves up. Molitor's already beaten Ndlovu so it's safe to say he will win this. He might see Dunne as an easy first defense. I just watched Molitor V Ruiz and I reckon Dunne still has the beating of the Canadian Kid :yep

 

alexei acosta is fighting in birmingham on saturday....he seems to be keeping busy. any word on luis or mike?

 

Where Now For Irish Pro Boxing?

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By Gerry Hand: The big question is not so much where now for Bernard Dunne, rather where now for Irish pro boxing? At the risk of upsetting promoter Brian Peters even more than Dunne’s demolition has managed to do, the hard question has to be asked.

Last Saturday’s O2 show clearly illustrated one thing , that currently the Irish pro scene is, or maybe now was, about one man and one man only, Bernard Dunne. When news broke a week or so before the gig that chief support Andy Murray had pulled out injured most sports fans of the non boxing type would have thought Tennis and not boxing.

Let’s call a spade a shovel, despite 16 straight wins Andy Murray is a household name nowhere other than his own house. That’s not a cheap shot at the Cavan lightweight, he is what he is a decent enough fighter at an ordinary level, but at 27 is he ever going to reach the sort of stardom needed to put bums on seats in Dublin’s biggest arena.

Indeed has he the star quality to do it anyway? The vast majority of the six thousand plus crowd at the O2, which holds nine thousand seated, were there for Bernard and now that his bubble has burst, temporarily or permanently only he can decide, who are they going to pay to watch. Mind you it was nearly always like that. Can anyone apart from battle hardened fans recall a single fighter who emerged from the undercards of Barry McGuigan’s title bouts, or Dave McCauley’s or in fact Steve Collins, there has hardly been one noticeable name and the same holds good now.

This is not Brian Peters fault, he had to fill the undercard with fights, and he did pull a very large six foot nine rabbit out of a hat when producing Tyson Fury for his Irish debut, and before anyone says Fury is not Irish well he has as much claims to the title as the likes of Ray Houghton for example. The problem with Fury is that he is being pushed too far, too fast, he is massive and he can one assumes punch his weight, but he is despite what his camp might wish to portray, still very much a novice His six round points win over Tomas Miracek the durable Czech heavyweight, who drew with Michael Holden recently, was most notable for Fury’s ring entrance which featured The Irish Tenors singing the Rocky Road to Dublin.

On his ponderous showing Fury will certainly endure a rocky road on the title trail, and he really will have to restrain the urge to throw punches at a fallen opponent, he was too good for Miracek, then again if Kevin McBride could be bothered he would have blown Miracek away far more convincingly. McBride against Fury, well the Clones man has beaten the original Tyson, who’s to say he would not overwhelm his namesake. Let’s call a spade a working implement, Fury has been hyped beyond his ability at the moment. He is big, white and can play to the crowd, at the moment he has not much else going for him, that’s not to say he will not progress, but a statement of where he is at right now, he is a novice and he fought like one, should we be surprised?

Oisin ***an got off the canvas and beat some Eastern European, ***an’s well practiced at getting off the ring mat, but to be fair to him he has no real aspirations in the game, he just loves the sport and what harm will it do him?

The big let down for me was Stephen Haughian, I did think he just shaded his scrap with Albert Starikov, the ref called it a draw, and the Lurgan lads trainer John Breen was a tad upset. When Breen rewinds the tape and looks again he will realise he was right to be upset, but that perhaps his anger would have been better vented on Haughian than the third official., to put it simply Haughian was far better than his opponent but allowed the very game Starikov to do enough that the ref’s decision couldn’t really be argued with. Haughian should and I feel could have won this one easily.

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At age 25 Haughian has some big names on his record, Giammario Grasselini appears on it twice for instance, and Thomas Hengstbergers is in there as well, sadly those two are big name in letters only and not in quality. Time for Haughian to step up and do the needful or take the latch off the toilet door and let someone else have a go.There is not a big queue waiting in the wings though.

And so to Dunne. A warriors heart beats inside the Dubliner, but sadly his body appears not to contain a boxers brain. When the kitchen starts to heat up Dunne heads straight for the oven and inevitably gets burnt. Cuteness is a quality that you either have or you haven’t, Dunne lacks in it. None of which is to take anything away from Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym, the little man with the wrecking ball left hook, Dunne’s manager Brian Peters observed afterwards “He will be champion for a long time”, he could be right.

One thing I would like to know is this. Dunne claimed to have never been better prepared for a fight, physically that could well be accurate, it is hard to doubt his fitness, but in terms of having a properly constructed plan, well you have to wonder. It has to be asked also why Dunne didn’t find someone, ANYONE, for a voluntary defence or rather why was this situation allowed to arise whereby on his very first title defence he had to fight the top challenger. You can examine the fight forensically and basically the only conclusion that can be reached is that Dunne, although taller, was ironically in over his head, he fought an opponent who was better than him and could hit harder. Sometimes the truth is just that obvious.

Has the Dubliner a future at world level?, probably not at super bantamweight, he always looks drained at the weight, there is a marked difference between making weight comfortably, and being comfortable when you have done so. A move up to featherweight could conceivably see Dunne emulate Steve Collins as Ireland’s only two weight world champion, but he has to get cute and get cute fast, it is extremely difficult to go against your own nature, and every bone in Dunne’s body told him to fight fire with fire when a hasty retreat was called for.

Dunne indeed has trained to be a fireman when his fight career is over, somebody better remind him to use water and not petrol when faced with a blazing inferno. Bernard’s been brilliant for Irish boxing, at both amateur and pro level, and he can rise from the ashes and claim a version of the featherweight title, but he’d want to hurry up about it, he’s thirty in five months. One way or the other he’s still the main man in the Irish pro fight game, and as of yet there’s nobody riding over the horizon to grab the baton from him. The Irish fight scene will go wherever Bernard Dunne leads it for some time yet.

 

Sorry Mr Myler I'm usually a fan of yours but that article is a big load of bollocks.
Just a few of the main points, Dunne having started at FW in 2001 is of little relevance to anything now. I don't think you can read a single thing into any of his performances (against **** poor opposition, as is the norm starting out) down at FW.

Secondly, the FW scene in Europe is less competitive than the SBW? So Truscott, Simpson, Appelby, Lindsay, Hunter, Servedi and the champion Yefomvich are all a softer touch than the Martyrosian, Walstad, Jailov and Marsh's of this world. They are in my ****ing flute.

At world level you have John, Cruz (in the form of his life), Leuvano, Ponce De Leon and Gamboa. With the prospcet of Marquez, Vasquez, Juanma and Caballero all moving up soon.

Lazy bit of journalism if you ask me. He didn't really think about what he was saying too much. He was just flapping his lips (or flailing his fingers) without having much substance behind what he was saying.

FW is a tougher ask than SBW whether its at EBU level or world level. If he's after money he may have to accept being an 'opponent' for the rest of his career. If he does that I hope hes honest with himself and accepts that. I know we all want him to do well but reading that article and thinking about whats out there now at FW, it looks a much tougher ask than SBW.

At SBW he'd just have to stay away from Poonsawat. You'd be looking at the likes of Nishioka with the WBC then Molitor picking up the IBF and Escalante picking up the WBO when Juanma and Caballero move up to FW (just guessing at who is likely to pick up the title when they are gone)

I suppose the best thing to hope for now is Munroe to beat Maladrottu but lose to Nishioka. That would give him time to get a fight or two in and then go after Munroe.Fill out the Point one last time for the EBU. Get the win over Munroe reclaim the EBU and set up one last world title clash against Nishioka/Escalante/Molitor.

 

Fella's I didnt know Harry Keit was back training John Duddy??Seems like a strange move for the lad,what do you make of it?I think it could be a wise move, he's never settled with any other trainer.How and ever this is make or break time,no more trainer changes,no more excuses.

Heres the link to the article

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=21383&more=1

 

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Yes yes yes. Good move. I thikn the old John Duddy is coming back (hopefully) I don't care if he loses but puts on a thrilling fight. That's why I am such a big fan. The Irish middleweight scene could be back on track come late 2009 early 2010 with all 3 back to the future if you know what I mean. I'm actually glad Lee didn't fight duddy and I hope he does not fight Macklin either unless Macklin has a world title belt. same goes for Dudddy. The problem is if it ever happens I won't want any of them to lose and I just won be able to enjoy the fact that 1 will come of the worse for it.

 

I think Padjo would win this fight! IMO Padjo is one of the most under rated fighters around! I've sparred him in a training camp before and he hits like a mule!!! He's also quite big fir the weight. Defenitly a name to look out for.

 

Mike was at the fight on Saturday he has a small fracture in his hand and will be back in January now......

 

Oh Lads Martin Rogan Confirmed tonight on steve bunces BBC london boxing hour that he will be one of the guests for next weeks Bunce Live in Beflast in the Dockers on Tuesday it all kicks off at 8pm!

tickets available at the door

 

Plus, anyone in the North that has links to an amateur club, please get over to the Dockers Club, there is a £250 cash prize that will be donated to a local amateur club. You need to attend the show and register the name of your club to be included for the draw.

Rogie is confirmed and I am sure there will be plenty of others, spread the word.:good