some people consider a fighter 'undisputed' when he holds all the paper titles. frankly speaking thats bull ****. pavlik is undisputed for beating the man who beat the man. it means his claim to being champion is undisputable.
well, he is the man who beat the man i hopkins, who was the true middleweight champ. so i guess he has the call now.
does'nt matter if there are better fighters than him, fact is he is the 'champion' for beating the man who beat the 'champion'. nawfal was asking if he was the 'undisputed champion' not 'undisputed the best fighter at that weight'. at this point in time he blasts through winky as well.
if you guys keep saying he is the man who beat the man etc.... then everyone will always remain undisputed.
I rate him as undisputed. Sturm is a joke of a paper champ who would get knocked out easily, Winky has faded too much. Abraham is the only one you could argue about but he has this dubious fight with Miranda which should have been stopped, when he broke his jaw and Pavlik knocked Miranda out.
i know about those categories very well, but thats just going into technicalities. the fact of the matter is pavlik is THE champion at 160, that is undisputable. undisputed simply means that you're claim to being the champion is undisputable for a variety of reasons. take calzaghe for example. it is undisputable that he is the champ at SMW.
He is definitely NOT undisputed. As long as there is another champ or even just a contender out there, with a realistic chance (say anything better than 25%, but might as well say lower) of beating him, he is never undisputed. I would rate AA the fave between them, should they meet. Others have shots as well. This "undisputed" concept is being flung around WAY to easily, when ppl are ready to suggest it about Pavlik, based just on his win last night.
and why is that?? you guys are looking at being undisputed with some sort of set of rules such as collecting all bull **** paper titles. jesus christ, it simply means that his claim of being champion is legitimate and cannot be questioned. aside from pavlik who can claim to being champion? paper titlist like abraham or sturm? you say he's the legit champ at 160 but not undisputed, what kind of convoluted bull **** is that?
Let Pavlick fight Abraham, the winner will be undisputed. Nobody cares about Sturm, he would be easy work for both Pavlick and Abraham.
Totally disagree. Undisputed should only be used when there's not a single opponent willing to take him on, with a reasonable/realistic chance of succes. That is not the case for Pavlik and neither for Calzaghe. Apart from that i don't even agree with your example that Calzaghe's status as SMW champ is undisputed. He never "beat the man to become the man". He has a very clear rival who is undefeated and holds two major belts. Nothin "undisputable" about that.