Jim Jeffries, underated ?

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  1. Colonel Sanders

    Colonel Sanders Pounchin powar calculateur Full Member

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    I think I have never seen his name crack a top 10 at HW despite the fact that he has an astonishing record.

    Gentlement Jim Corbett X2
    Peter Jackson
    T. Sharkey X2
    Fitz X 2
    Choynski
    Ruhlin X 2


    Undefeated during a 5 years reign as champion. His lone loss suffered at the hands of a top 3 HW great in Johnson when Jim dropped from 300 pounds to 225 lbs and put an end to a 4 years retirement.

    He also looked like a ****ing beast.

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    If you think Jeffries doesn't deserve a top 10 ranking, elaborate.
     
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    I guess if one wanted a reason its the lack of fights. quantity has a quality.all its own.
     
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    :lol: Well, if that's your list, that's your list, mate.
     
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    Fought a bunch of old, spindly middleweights, perhaps?

    Jackson was a washed-up drunk by the time he got in the ring with Jeffries. Sharkey was just a sawed-off face first slugger. Corbett could barely be considered an active prizefighter he fought so infrequently. It's not a cast that inspires awe.

    On the positive side, he was mostly a work in progress, and progressed quickly and far under the heat of fire. He was undoubtedly at his best when he retired. And he beat the best his era offered.
     
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    Colonel Sanders Pounchin powar calculateur Full Member

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    Jack Johnson is in most credible people top 3.
     
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    Great point made, sir.

    There's a million reasons why he shouldn't be top-10. But hell, there's a million other reasons that could argue his way in. But, surely, there is absolutely no reason for him not to be in the discussion.

    It should be noted though -- both Nat Fleischer (1972) and Charley Rose in 1968, rank him #5 and #2, respectively, in their all-time heavyweight rankings.
     
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    There is no way on earth Johnson deserves #3. That's simply fantasy.
     
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    Dempsey, Marciano, or Langford don't deserve to be placed above him.
     
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    off the top of my head

    McVey
    Langford
    Jeffries
    Burns
    Jeanette

    those are great names to put on a record
     
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    I would make an argument for Marciano but they are very close. I agree with you on the other two.

    This has been hashed out a dozen or so times around here. Better not to derail this thread.

    As far as Jeffries, it's hard to say how he is rated today, probably underrated a bit. He was very highly rated in his day and for a time afterward but has definitely slipped. The succession of Johnson, Dempsey and Louis certainly had something to do with that.
     
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    I can see a case for Marciano honestly......
     
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    Fitzsimmons
    Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
    Ketchel
    Peter Jackson
    Frank Childs was the 'colored heavyweight champion'

    Some of these guys were undersized, but look good on Jackson's record, nonetheless.
     
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    I actually have Marciano 3rd of the three heavyweights I names, but to each its own.

    But I hope we can agree Jeffries is underrated.
     
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    Is he?

    Begob! He's not on my top three either. :conf
     
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    By credible people, I'm assuming, he's referring to historians and writers. Bert Sugar, Teddy Atlas, amongst others, have Johnson ranked 3rd.

    No offense to the ESB'ers you quoted -- but I'd acknowledge Sugar and Atlas as credible, before them as well.