Joe Joyce, Overrated?

Whyte has been shot for years, since before Povetkin 1. Joyce and Zhang would bounce whytes head off the canvas. Early. A win against Whyte wouldn't elevate Joyce at all

 

Na, I'm a big Joyce fan and its just how it goes

Win some .lose some but Joe certainly did not help himself last night with the approach

Guy still has my support

 

Yep that's how I feel. Lets be honest he was going to lose at some point, you can't keep having tough fights and not pick up an L.

 

16th fight
Gone look who hes faced
Gone look who fury and wilder were fighting on there 16th fights
Joyce would still beat wilder imo

 

Show me anyone who would look good beating Zhang
Big guy fast accurate southpaw

 

Oh, so Dubois had eye trouble?
What an interesting take on that fight. Now why was the Zhang fight stopped again?

 

It doesn't make any sense tbh. Both now are the mantatories for their divisions so it is pointless them fighting other than the loser giving away their spot..

 

I've been a Joyce fan since the Jennings win where he showed me more than expected and some improvement in his boxing. But even I thought the hype got a little ridiculous after he beat Parker. He's never been the guy to dominate the division, always thought Fury and Usyk would beat him and he'd be an under dog against AJ and even maybe Wilder. So at best he was top 5, but with the loss to Zhang that might be too optimistic.

But I'll still support him, still find his, "Please hit me repeatedly flush on the chin" style fun to watch and still think he can have a good career. Christ if Chisora can make millions and fight big fight after big fight, no reason Joyce can't do better and carve out a respectable career, he'll just never be the top guy, but then I never thought he would be and that's OK.

 

If Joyce's eye doesn't swell up, I think he takes Zhang out down the stretch. Zhang was breathing heavy early on and Joyce won the 5th round.

We knew Joyce takes too many shots and although he remained on his feet, he was hurt early and those shots finally stopped him. However, he was on his feet and had his best round of the fight. Zhang threw the kitchen sink at him early and it proved to be a great tactic but Joyce is very much a 12 round fighter and he was growing into the fight.

There's no need to throw anyone under the bus here. What we witnessed was two world class heavyweights taking on each other when they didn't have to and having a war. I commend both fighters and would love to see a rematch.

If Joyce comes in heavier and avoids the straight left a bit better, he can definitely beat Zhang. He'll take more punishment but that's generally his gameplan. As said, I hope we see the rematch because there was a lot more entertainment to come in that fight from both fighters.

 

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Why would he duck a man he clearly beat once before?
"Amateurs don´t count"
5 rounds with no head gear is no longer amateur boxing. It would be a fantastic fight. But neither Zhang nor Joyce makes sense for Hrgovic right now. He is the IBF mandatory and should just wait for his title shot (should take a few stay busy fights).
Zhang will have to wait for a while to get his crack at the WBO. So whomever offers him the most money, that´s what makes sense for him. And it´s likely to be Joyce.

 

This seems to be getting forgotten already. Ok, Joyce was outclassed, but people are acting like he was KO'ed.

The second half was always going to be when Joyce came more into it because he has good stamina and Zhang doesn't. Fair play to Zhang for getting the stoppage before that could happen, but it was a doctor's stoppage, not a KO.

 

Ignore this guy he thinks having a broken wrist isn't a good reason to not take a fight against Hrgovic and that Hrgovic not even offering Joyce a fight later on proves Joyce was ducking him lol. This guy is the biggest Hrgovic nut hugger on the forum.

 

Joyce overhyped - yes. Bum - definitely no. The heavies make it complicated for them themselves alone - poorly active, especially when the top guys rarely face each other (see Usyk's activity - 5 fights in 4 years and one defense in 18 months so far, while the next will come in 2-3, so this will make it two defenses in two years for a guy holding 4 titles and pretending he can beat everyone in the division, but he beat Joshua only). And when finally one that's believed to be a credible threat to the champions gets beaten by another who's not and is 40 years old, then it's rightful he gets the criticism. The problem is now that most probably the other top guys will say Joyce makes no sense for them and he'll struggle with a good fight which is the only thing he must have for the next 1-2 years before his retirement.

At least Joyce seems to be nice guy, even if he proves he was overhyped, people won't start hating him. Let's hope he'll have at least one great fight.

His 16th pro fight - let's compare the overall experience of all of them, right? And it's not that he fought any greater as a pro compared to them. It was a good career start, but this fight turned out to be a bad step in his path.

 

Sports fans in general can be a fickle bunch. In modern day boxing it's understandable. We all know that styles make fights, but when the top guys don't face each other and instead constantly fight inferior opponents who match up well stylistically with them, then it is understandable why a win or loss to an evenly matched opponent is blown way out of proportion. Add in the fact that the top guys fight once or twice a year then it can be years until a fighter faces someone who truly tests them and highlights certain weaknesses or values in them.

Years ago, Zhang and Joyce would rematch immediately and we would see who has learned more from their first fight. Who can learn and adapt better. They would then face other top contenders and we would have a pretty good understanding of how they may perform against a specific champion based on the strengths and weaknesses of each fighter.

 

Eggsactly!!!!!

Even Tiresome was trying to get Slow "over". That hype train crashed last night.