Kid McCoy

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  1. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I was reading an article by Monte Cox where he 'interviewed' figures form the past by matching together sources and making it a Q&A, it was quite interesting.

    Here is the link

    http://coxscorner.tripod.com/interview.html

    In part 2 of the article he 'interviews' Nat Fleisher who claims the blow Ali landed on Liston was the Kid McCoy corkscrew.

    Can anyone shed any light on this 'corkscrew'?
     
  2. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not I, but old Nat always maintained the kid was the greatest of all lt heavyweights so he musta had somthing.
     
  3. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    fleischer made a career out of talking crap and played a big part in ruining ali-liston 2.
    he'd go down well on the classic forum as he'd say greb and ketchel are the best middles of all time and that jeffries would take ali out in one because he arm wrestled moose.
     
  4. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Funny thing, I just posted on that recent Bob Fitsimmions thread the story of Nat Fleischer vs Jimmy Jacobs feud/flare up in the early 60s Ring Magazine in re the old timers who Nat claimed were supermen vs the new.
     
  5. klompton

    klompton Boxing Addict banned

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    The corkscrew punch was a straight punch from the shoulder. Upon impact mccoy would turn the punch over with a twist of his wrist and it was claimed that this enabled the punch to do more damage, particularly in terms of cuts. Turning the punch over is now standard in boxing except that the punch is turned over in mid flight as opposed to the time of impact.
     
  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    thanks Klompton
     
  7. darling dame

    darling dame Active Member Full Member

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    just pulled that RING out from granpas old cedar chest.what do you guys think of these ol timers McCoy,Jeffries,Ketchal ? how did they fight so many rounds?Both Jacobs & Fleischer seem to be pretty REASONABLE judges of TALENT.How did Fleisher rate Johnson #1 heavy when Nat knew he THREW fights?
     
  8. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    Apparently the term the 'real mccoy' was coined in reference to Kid McCoy. McCoy's performance in beating Joe Choynski in 1899 overshadowed a lesser boxer named Peter McCoy, who had fought in San Francisco days earlier and inspired the newspaper headline 'Choynski Beaten By The Real McCoy'

    The saying has stuck ever since.
     
  9. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    he was married countless times and the joke went that he even had re-matches with his wives as he re- married 2 of them:lol::lol::lol:
    norman selby what a geezer !!!
    nice pic in your avatar by the way
     
  10. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    haha why people get married more than once is beyond me but marrying the same person more than once is just crazy. :lol:
     
  11. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yeah,i'll stick with what i've got:yep