Louis vs Tyson

Basical Dempsey inside game is on a whole diferent level to Tysons.

This:

A. Attacks one of Louis's key weakneses in that he dosnt like to be crowded.

B. Removes a key weaknes that Louis might have exploited to considerable effect in Tyson.

 

My opinion: Tyson would have to get Louis early to win. He wouldn't be able to do that often. A prime Joe Louis would win about 7 out of 10 times against a prime Mike Tyson...maybe more.

 

Louis does have a habit at that but in the first post it says this fight would be under current rule sets which means there would be a mandatory 8 count anyway so thats not an issue unless he stays down for 10

Would Louis need to spoil in the early rounds, he might have enough pop for Tyson to respect him and that could mean Tyson might not be so ferouicous in the first 4 rounds

 

Louis knocks him out. Tyson's style worked wonders against big tall men who couldn't throw an uppercut, but Louis was a guy almost the same size as Tyson, that could hit just as hard and had great uppercuts. He would knock Tyson out.

 

But Mike don't crouch right against a guy like Louis. He's too upright.

He'll get hit by uppercut after uppercut as Louis will crouch with Tyson but due to his style be able to get even lower, and take away Tyson's advantage which was to use his opponents height against him.

It would make Tyson appear very one dimensional.

 

You are completely wrong about this. Tyson had the most trouble against big tall men. The uppercut business is not an issue. Louis used uppercuts against fighters who bent over in crouches. This isn't the way Tyson fights. He bends at the knees. Louis' money should would be the straight right, but he won't have a chance to land many, and prime Tyson takes a good shot.

The problem for Louis is that this simply cannot hold up under the combination of Tyson's thunder and accuracy. Since Louis lacks the defensive adequacy to avoid getting hammered, he's done for early.

 

No he didn't......

Where are you getting this information from. Tyson's entire style, and you can even hear it from him and his trainer, was designed to get in close, and take out big men. It's a great defense when your opponent stands relatively up right, and throws mainly straight punches.

Tyson's style is great for evading straight punches, and hooks because of the way he's holding his hands, and his bobbing and weaving sytle, but the fact that he's still a little squared up and he's not fighting at a lean means that he's vulnerable to uppercuts.

Which big men gave him trouble?

Tucker? Yeah, Tucker hit him once in the second or first round with a huge uppercut. Mike ended up basically white washing Tucker on the score cards as he did every other big man except at the end of his career.

Prime Mike would have likely knocked Lewis out. Lewis was a bit different from other big men in the sense that he was pretty athletic, and had a decent uppercut, but Mike would have used Lewis' height against him and either made Lewis fight a fight on the inside that would have involved a lot of holding but with Mike landing the cleaner flashier punches, or Lewis' chin would have let him down and he would have got knocked out, just like all the other tall opponents Mike faced in his prime.

All of them basically ran for their lives or held on. Lewis would be no different as his height would be his hinderance because he wouldn't be able to land often with his uppercut.

If you watch Mike in his losses, it's because Mike is very one dimensional, and guys like Buster and Holyfield got down just as low as Mike did to deliver the uppercut that Mike just couldn't deal with.

That in combination with a jab, made it very difficult for Mike to continue his strategy of coming in low and rising like a cobra because of the chance that he would be hit with an uppercut.

Louis had an excellent jab, would get lower than Mike, and would tie Mike up when Mike got in close.

Mike would have no answer except to swing away as hard as he could until he eventually tired himself out both mentally and physically. Louis would pick up momentum start to dominate with just his jab and then knock Mike out in the later rounds.

Louis is one of the worst matchups for Mike.

And you talk about Louis having bad defense, but what did he get tagged with? Right hands over the top, and that rarely happened.

Mike usually hooked his right hand or threw it strait which isn't how you beat Joe Louis unless the right hand is a counterpunch, which isn't something that Mike excelled in.

 

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99% of his opponents were big tall men. If anything he had trouble with shorter opponents, because he was so used to springing up at taller guys. In fact some of his comeback fights were riddled with wild swining misses over guys heads.