Marciano's style/stance

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  1. Colonel Sanders

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    Oddly maybe Jim Jeffries. Crouch, throwing bombs, the in punch power. They were just the reverse physically.
     
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    It was basically a pressure fighters stance and quite popular until the squarer footed rolling Frazier/Armstrong style took over.

    This style is described as a crouch because the fighter comes in low but it has more to do with the wide, side-on footing and high lead shoulder than someone just bending at the waist.

    It was a very side on stance where the shoulder can be used to shield the jaw allowing for a lower left that can come up out of view. The lead hand is also poised as both a lure to measure for the range of the back hand and also to deliver a hook. A lot of weight is on the back foot and the right hand has to travel a longer distance (almost like a shot putter) in order to land than in a more upright squared stance.

    What characterized Marciano was the unusual lowering he did, bending lower than the waist. He would lower himself lower than he could be reached and come up with with punches on the way. Gaziano stood somewhat simular but they both threw punches differently.

    Arturo Godoy used the style but was a more smothering type of in fighter yet a less potent puncher.

    Carmen Basillio was a much slicker, fluid version.

    Jim Jeffries and Ken Norton appeared to use the same crab like stance. High front shoulder, side on.
     
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    I think a lot of fighters can adopt a style and add an extra dimension. Whatever style a fighter uses he needs to utilise his best punch or asset. Marciano was strong and had two handed power. But he was short with short arms. So whilst he had endurance and used the pressure style he also used it to set up counters for over hand rights to get the most out of his power. Norton was long enough to utilise a jab at range within that style and set up counters. He liked to load up and needed centre ring, he would have the other man outside. Basillio was proberbly the most versatile but being shorter he used the stance to roll inside. standing upright he would have been picked off but to make the most of his grit and workrate he needed the wider stance to come in and under.
     
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    I think this stance allows a fighter to box and punch from it.
     
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    Marciano didn't have the jab doe.
     
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    frankie depaula
     
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    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Great post.
     
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    Jeffries did not take the initiative in all of his fights, against Sharkey he waited for the Tar to come to him.Marciano always came forward, initiating the action.
     
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    Yes I would agree with that mcvey.:good

    Same stance and gait but Jeffries used it with his size advantage so I am sure he could stand off and make an obstacle of himself from a range.

    Rocky did counter though. He might not go back but he did not only go forward. He often would stop, lure them in then spring to attack.
     
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    Would you describe the Harada stance as "high shoulder, side on"?

    Harada was a fast two handed presure fighter with excelent variety but I don't see the lurching gait, side on footing and high front shoulder with him. Harada skipped around a bit used angles, I think it is a different style. More Duran-like. Great presure fighter though.
     
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    Yes the same footing, held his hands in the same position but of course lamotta used way more jabs, one handed and used his famous playing possum tactic to open up his foes.

    Depaula was a good shout too.
     
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    Well you can be awkward and very defensive in nature, but that wasn't Rocky.

    Gene Fullmer, James Jeffries, and Dwight Muhammad Qawi have some similarities to Marciano.

    Marciano isn't given enough credit for his style. It worked for him on offense and defense. He was a pressure guy deadly up close. Good body puncher, and he carried his power extremely well. You could say the closer he was to the action, the better Marciano was.