Mike Gibbons Appreciation Thread

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  1. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Something didn't smell right about his 6/12/1919 newspaper "draw" with George Chip in Terre Haute. The listing on Boxrec named a Chicago paper as the source (classic example of why PRIMARY sources from the city IN WHICH THE FIGHT TOOK PLACE are so imperative!). So I called the library and requested the results from the 2 Terre Haute papers that covered it. Turns out that Gibbons won clearly, though Chip put up a rugged, exciting fight.

    http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=11267&cat=boxer

    His record now, including newspaper wins and losses, is an astounding 113-11.
     
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  2. the_bigunit

    the_bigunit Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Awesome work, Surf.
     
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  3. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ray Arcel said,
    "I never saw this great fighter till after his prime but i believe he would have out boxed Hagler"
     
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  4. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Better than his brother. And his brother is an all time great.
     
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  5. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Good man, Surf. :deal
    Very, very good man, LR.


    :twisted: Well, if you love Tommy so much, why don't you just marry him, you haggis-rollin'...
     
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  6. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tommy above Mike? Outrageous! Inconceivable! Perfidious!
     
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  7. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I don't know what pernicious means but if it's bad then it's that. :deal
     
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  8. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Gets the better of Packey clearly from the footage available imo.
     
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  9. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm looking closer into that one as well. It's looking more and more like a draw to me. Boxrec lists a whole bunch of non-primary sources that support McFarland. If one goes purely by NY sources it's a draw. The papers were split right down the middle
     
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  10. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks man.
     
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  11. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What do you mean by non-primary?
     
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  12. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You were actually one of the people I wanted to ask. Were these people present:

    Joe O'Neil (Los Angeles Times), Boston Globe, Morning Oregonian (Portland), Ring W. Lardner (Chicago Tribune), William H. Rocap (Chicago Tribune), Bill Foreman (Chicago Herald), Philadelphia Inquirer, Jack Malaney (Boston Journal)
     
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  13. Brownies

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    There is footage available? I made a search once but couldn't find anything. Youtube, here I come !
     
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  14. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    William H. Rocap, sporting editor of Chicago Tribune, was there, as can be judged from his report in
    1915-09-12 The Chicago Sunday Tribune (page III1)
    Ring W. Lardner, boxing writer of Chicago Tribune, was there as well, same newspaper, same page.
    They also had Percy Hammond, drama critic, at ring side, but for obvious reason his opinion I didn't include.

    Bill Foreman of Chicago Herald was mentioned in multiple newspapers as giving the fight to McFarland.

    Joe O'Neill wired an exclusive dispatch from the ringside to Los Angeles Times, which is spread to two pages:
    1915-09-12 The Los Angeles Times (page VI1)
    1915-09-12 The Los Angeles Times (page VI5)

    Philadelphia Inquirer had its sporting editor at ringside (I'm not sure who it was at the time), as can be read in
    1915-09-12 The Philadelphia Inquirer (page S1)

    Jack Malaney, boxing writer of Boston Journal, was at ringside, and stupidly claimed in his write-up that Marquis of Queensberry rules prohibited hitting with open glove, thus Packey's punches didn't count, and Gibbons was a clear winner. 1915-09-13 Boston Journal (page 8 )

    Portland Morning Oregonian had a write-up I didn't see in other newspapers, which mentions:
    Source: 1915-09-13 Morning Oregonian (page 10)

    Boston Globe was left there by error, I removed it from the scores in my scrapbook long time ago, but probably forgot to take it out from boxrec encyclopaedia.
     
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  15. McGrain

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    Nicely done chum! Only six more reversals and he's lost as few as the clearly superior Tommy!
     
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