Most skilled fighter

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  1. Flea Man

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    Neither am I, but as I say, he was far, far better than you are giving him credit for, and therefore a far better win for Jeff than you think (one of his best IMO)

    Appreciate the insight as well.

    Admittedly, if I'd only seen the Fenech fight I'd probably be inclined to agree.
     
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  2. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Plenty of people do, just not simple newbies like yourself.
     
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  3. SEPv

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    Payakroon is also one of the greatest Muay Thai fighters of all time...a true legend....
     
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  4. mcvey

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    Leonard had something Pep lacked, a good dig in his right hand.

    Jim Driscoll was another marvellous boxer ,who could also take you out with a well timed cross.
     
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  5. Manassa

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    Samart is a good mention. After all, the thread title does state 'most skilled fighter' - although I did mean boxers.

    That's fine though, as I wanted people to interpret the thread in their own way. Could have said Tony Galento if you wanted, because he could balance four pint glasses end-to-end on his head for half an hour whilst dodging taxis on the street (not verified).

    Samart was indeed a great Muay Thai champion and maybe the best ever. My personal favourite is Dieselnoi; a man that skinny was not meant to be so powerful.

    P.S. - Samart was no cab driver. As mentioned, by the time he boxed he'd already had a tough Muay Thai career and as expected, probably started his decline a bit early.
     
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  6. Flea Man

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    Dieselnoi was brutal with his lower half, but Payakaroon so much more defensively able and a puncher as well. Shame their actual fight isn't available, Samart is lauded by the Thais so much for having the balls to fight Diselnoi, who had pretty much cleared out his division (massive bloke as well!)

    Yeah, sorry for the hijack, I was pretty much half-joking (always just reply with the name of a Thai fighter in most threads :lol:) because, let's be honest, you did mean boxers ;-) But I knew most of you would know exactly what I meant (you and Booj for example)

    But in the Meza and Pintor bouts he looks amazingly skilled. And we have a lot of footage of him looking **** hot in Muay Thai as well, so I think it's fair to say he was one of the most skilled fighters of all time who also boxed.

    It's also not hard to see how Muangsurin made an easy transition. Shockingly heavy handed! The only time you'll ever see his name in a 'most skilled fighter' thread :D

    Apologies again, for waffling in your thread.
     
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  7. Manassa

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    That's one observation I made, too; Samart was an astronomically better puncher than all the other Muay Thai fighters he faced. That's how it seemed to me, anyway. He had a natural aptitude for punching that looks refreshing on tape as a lot of his opponents were lacking in that area.

    I still think the perfect striking style is something along the lines of Muay Thai but with much more emphasis on a boxer's mindset.
     
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  8. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jersey Joe Walcott
     
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  9. Flea Man

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    I agree. Thai fighters are are all heart, and it can lead to some scrappy moments.

    With that variety of offence and the ability to pick your shots you could decimate most I imagine.

    Samart blended his offence and defence seamlessly. All-round, he probably is the most skilled fighter I've ever seen. Shame the fight with Diselnoi, the Muay Thai Monzon IMO, isn't about as I say, Samart lost a decision but gave his all supposedly, would be a fascinating watch.
     
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  10. Manassa

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    Dieselnoi reminds me of Monzon too.

    Ever seen those Lethwei fights? ****, man... Brutal. Toughest men on the planet, surely. Not as polished as Muay Thai fighters (in general), infact at times even the top guys look slightly amateurish, but it's all full on. Blunt force trauma. Takedowns and head butts allowed. Huge punches with no gloves. Street brawling basically. From what I gather, Lethwei vs. Muay Thai matches seem to come out pretty even.
     
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  11. Flea Man

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    No I haven't, sounds like Thai Vale Tudo.

    And you see the Monzon comparison too? Great minds, eh? ;-)
     
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  12. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    I rank Pep as the best pure boxer of all time, I don`t think anyone outboxes either Pep or Whitaker in their weight class, Whitaker seems to be a better infighter than Pep - which is a skill - so I went with Whitaker BUT I do think Willie Pep is one of the very few, if not the ONLY man that was better than Whitaker from distance, using the jab, combinations, footwork & defensive head movement etc.
     
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  13. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I appreciate the input guys but I'm sticking with MAB. It's definitely MAB.
     
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  14. Flea Man

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    I imagine you quite enjoy Payakaroon, Addie. Have you seen his bout with Juan Meza? There's some mind-blowing highlights on YouTube if you can't get hold of the full fight.
     
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  15. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I'll be sure to check out the highlights for starters. I really have to wait until I get my Laptop back until I start watching full fights again.
     
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