Overrated Wins

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  1. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I see people sometimes talk about how this or that was a great win and I am left wondering how someone thinks that.

    Some examples

    Hatton vs Urango - An overhyped puncher who had never fought anyone of note

    Hatton vs Castillo - Castillo was shot

    Cotto vs Pinto or Abdalaev - These get brought up every time someone talks about Cotto's great resume and I can't see why. These guys were unproven guys that Never accomplished anything either before or after Cotto beat them
     
  2. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Nobody in their right mind over-rates Hatton's victory of Urango, and nor should they. It was an easy way of getting an alphabet strap and for HBO to build up him vs Castillo - which would have been better happening then rather than waiting until the summer.

    People have seen the one punch KO of fellow Hatton victim Carlos Vilches and all of a sudden thought: 'WTF do we have here' - and giving Hatton credit for a smart boxing display. He was excellent for four rounds and then gassed due to the dreaded lurg caused by air conditioning systems and had to just grind it out - and admitted himself that it was a bit of a ballsy display.

    In terms of Castillo, many were predicting a close UD in Hatton's favour. Castillo was blown away by a wonder punch, though he was losing the rounds he wasn't exactly on the verge of conceding them 10-8.

    In terms of Cotto's wins - the win over Gomez is very questionable. He shouldn't have been in there with Gomez, but should then have put him away in a couple.

    I think Arum has guided Cotto superbly, other than arranging the Gomez fight, which was poor and unnecessary - Hatton has been guided pretty well, but the Urango fight was pointless. Should have had Castillo then, and a decent welter in the summer to prepare for PBF.
     
  3. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    WHEN PINTO AND ABDULAEV are brought up in cotto conversations, its mostly cause they both beat him in the am's.....for cotto to come back and crush them that way just adds drama to it, but come one, they were nice contenders that just got ****en tagged on.....
     
  4. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    floyds win over gatti
     
  5. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Gatti was clearly cherrypicked, as was Diaz for Pacquiao.
     
  6. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Pavlik's win over Miranda.

    Edison Miranda proved in his last outting that he isn't elite level, everytime he steps up he gets stopped.
     
  7. Mikey

    Mikey I'm An Uzi Lover Full Member

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    Gatti had the WBC strap, which Mayweather goes for, and it was Gatti who was looking for a fight with Mayweather as well.
     
  8. TFFP

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    I've never heard anybody speak about the Urango win in glowing terms

    Castillo however, is spot on. A lot of Hatton fans on the Brit forum continually defend this win, suggesting there is no reason to believe Castillo is shot. The fact he went life and death with Ngoudjo, a B- fighter, and can't even make weight means nothing to these guys
     
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    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    now it seems that way, but at the time it was pretty damn impressive...
     
  10. ApatheticLeader

    ApatheticLeader is bringing ***y back. Full Member

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    Diaz is a good fighter, and Pac going up yet another weight class makes it even more so.

    Every win in PBFs 147 reign was overrated.

    Hatton vs. Tszyu and Castillo especially. Not so much the Urango one.

    Most of Hopkins career wins are overrated (except the Tarver + Keith Holmes ones). Against DLH is the most so. I'm torn on the Glencoffe Johnson one.

    Anybody who mentions Pac's 2nd win over Morales deserves to be punched.
     
  11. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Carlos who? He's just another name in the long list of c class fighters that Urango has KO'd only this one was after the Hatton fight as opposed to before it.

    In terms of Castillo, Hatton was a 4 to 1 favorite going into the fight. Castillo could no longer make a weight he had made his whole life and he was coming off some shitty performances after being in a fight that no doubt took a lot out him. Hatton did exactly what he was supposed to do.
     
  12. DINAMITA

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    Overrated wins?

    - PBF v Hatton
    As was obvious in the Collazo fight, Hatton simply could not function at welterweight, his body could not adapt and he was a pale imitation of the fighter he is at 140. PBF still did well to put him away in the style he did, but it was at best a decent win. If he had lost it would have been absurd, Hatton was weak at the weight. And this was 1 of the 2 fights that won him Ring Fighter of the Year

    - Tarver & Johnson's wins over Jones
    Jones's body has been f****d since trying to lose the weight from the Ruiz jump. He was so shot that there should have been no glory in KO'ing him. It's a disgrace that Calzaghe is choosing the easy option v him and ducking Pavlik.

    - Lewis v Tyson
    Same reason. Too far past his best for it to even rate.

    Basically any fight where there are unfair odds pre-fight. There are plenty more examples.
     
  13. Uppercut83

    Uppercut83 The Quitschkos are bums Full Member

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    I agree Hatton vs Tszyu, Hatton was fighting at home against a fighter who was old and also had a very long layoff with only a tuneup against Sharmba Mitchell.
     
  14. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I give pacman credit for this one. It is true that Morales was way past it however Morales' condition at the time was in very large part due to the punches he took fro pacman in their first 2 fights. I see it more as a continuation of a battle that had pacman come out victorious
     
  15. ApatheticLeader

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    I understand, but don't see it that way. I tend to give Pac credit for his first victory vs. Morales, not the second - even if the last fight was necessary and Morales' decline was brutally acclerated with the fights vs. Pac.