Pavlik and Roach?

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  1. Mitchell_NY

    Mitchell_NY Active Member Full Member

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    I really, really doubt that this would ever happen, but what do you thim, would freddie roach make an improvement in kelly pavlik?
     
  2. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    pav may be over-rated, and exposed, but he would still kick the **** out of roach
     
  3. arm chicken

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    胃t港ldげt比sファンsばck
     
  4. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    Not even if Roach attacked him. I think Kelly would have too much respect for Roach. :D

    On a serious note, there is talk of Kelly returning to 160 after all. I doubt it, but... Roach would be out since Sturm fills that slot. Does Roach have slots at 168/175?
     
  5. motownsiu

    motownsiu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    roach would be great but his plate is pretty full. although it may be a conflict of interest i like andre ward's trainer a lot for pavlik. joe goosen is a great choice, so is ronnie shields. manny steward always had a lot of respect for pavlik after he beat jt, and manny specializes with tall fighters. i also think it wouldn't hurt him to train with the mayweathers so he can be a little more slick. whatever the case is all these trainers will teach him more than, "double that ****ing jab."
     
  6. MrPR

    MrPR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ill be rooting for Pavlik if he gets a rematch with Martinez

    He has a chance of winning the rematch

    People seem to forget,Pavlik dropped Martinez and was starting to figure him out

    Its just when he got cut,everything went down hill from then,and Martinez took advantage and did what he supposed to do
     
  7. zato-one

    zato-one Pink Jumpsuit Boxing Full Member

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    *sigh

    Didnt the hopkins fight expose that **** to all of you? He is a VERY sloppy fighter who relies to heavy on "That big shot". Dont get me wrong, it works....sometimes. Others, he just looks like a goof

    But yes, I believe if either roach or steward got a hold of him, he could be a WAY MORE complete fighter.
     
  8. DobyZhee

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    I liked Pavlik (Pre Hopkins)...but somebody needs to finish off this hypejob, Pronto.
     
  9. unloco

    unloco Boxing Addict banned

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    hahaha i dont know what fight you were watching but he never figured martinez out , he got more aggresive in a couple rounds , but still lost them , he scored an off balance kd but never landed anything telling , he never once had martinez hurt ever , but his ass was ready to go in the 9th
     
  10. MrPR

    MrPR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I feel the same exact way about kessler,someone needs to finish off that hypejob too
     
  11. DobyZhee

    DobyZhee VIP Member

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    I never liked him since the Calzaghe fight. Never saw him fight before that. Maybe its those ******ed tribal tats..

    I don't get it with Pavlik. He's got nightmares of Hopkins everyday. I hope he recovers but I think we've seen the last of him.
     
  12. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dude, he led in the fight going into the ninth on about every card. He won the 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th, had a KD to his credit and was doing much better. Be fair.

    But, I don't think he can beat Martinez at middleweight. He's just the fraction of an inch of in his placement, and a step too slow, and Martinez has an amazing jaw. If he was more fragile, then yes, Pavlik could easily win the rematch, but Martinez is one of the more sturdy guys in that weight range in the world.
     
  13. MrPR

    MrPR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We all know when Hopkins beat someone,they never the same again

    Its happened with Trinidad,Tarver,Winky,Pavlik etc
     
  14. monr31

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    this is true
    however, i think people forget it more easily because kelly didn't activate his rematch clause. i think he could have won that fight sans cuts, but why didn't he want to fight again? I think the weight had something to do with it. I also think the cuts had something to do with it.
    Now that he's had some time to think maybe he wants another crack.
     
  15. dustball

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    mrpr i agre with u different trainer pvlick beats him i had him ahead by 1 rd after 8 and the cut changed the fight plus he wasnt in good shape needs to stay at 160 for awhile hadnt lookd good anytime he has went up