Pavlik vs. Abraham

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  1. RUSKULL

    RUSKULL Loyal Member banned

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    Who wins & why?
     
  2. Fat Tony

    Fat Tony Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Probably Pavlik because of his higher workrate/better stamina and reach advantage.

    I wonder if Abraham's high guard works against a big puncher that throws dozens of hard punches round after round. Being a fan of AA I'm more optimistic after the Miranda fight because EM's shots couldn't penetrate AA's turtle shell.

    I think Pavlik should decreae his punch output by a small margin in order to have enough stamina to cope with Abraham's spurts.
     
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    thespecialone Active Member Full Member

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    I think Abraham would get punished for throwing his hooks too wide where Pavlik is such a good straight puncher, i think Pavlik UD Abrahams got a lot of heart and a decent chin.
     
  4. Fat Tony

    Fat Tony Well-Known Member Full Member

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    AA started to throw wide hooks/haymakers after the first KD. Abraham is very smart. He knows when he can afford throwing wide shots. He won't do it against Pavlik unless Pavlik is hurt or AA becomes desperate.
     
  5. thespecialone

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    In all honesty i havent seen much of Abrahama but that is something he cant afford to do against Pavlik
     
  6. batang kanto

    batang kanto ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    pavlik wins by decision. his workrate against abraham's winkyesque defense. pavlik has better fundamentals than miranda and shouldn't be as careless as him facing AA.
     
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    Pavlik via decision. 116-112
     
  8. Benjiabc

    Benjiabc The Nottingham Hitman Full Member

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    hes not! but he is very good one, too good for AA IMO
     
  9. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    AA will win, because he has:

    - Great stamina
    - Very good defense
    - One-punch power.

    If only he had better workrate, he would be true world class, imho.

    I have respect for Pavlik's chin, and he has been truely tested against Taylor, so I will give him a little edge there in the latter.

    I voted KO, because I think that maybe Pavlik is able to win on pts, but unlike AA Pavliks D isn't so great - and I think he will go down while moving forward to do his usual thing; moving forward and hitting from many angles.
     
  10. d00k

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    Abraham does not have "Great stamina", quite the opposite really, he almost always gasses in the later rounds.
     
  11. P.4.P.G.O.A.T.

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    Pavlik punching steadily for 12 rounds is too much for a guy who fights in spurts. Pavlik by late KO or 116-112 type UD.
     
  12. batang kanto

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    did anyone else notice abraham's wife? she's got a good rack, IMO, abraham made short work of miranda because he noticed his wife looking hot at ringside. he couldn't wait to get those hands on her
     
  13. Scar

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    Abraham by decision or late TKO. Abraham has the stamina, power, skills, movement, chin to give Pavlik everything he could handle. Some people here think that Abraham only throws wide punches when he's looking to land something big, those people need to watch more of Abraham. Abraham also has vicious body shots, vicious straight punches that will all land on Pavlik easily. Pavlik does have power, chin his self but has never gone the full distance and the first time he did it(Taylor) he was seriously tired late but Taylor wasn't fresh either so neither were able to take advantage. Abraham on the other hand has gone 12 and carries his power all the way to the 12th, his skills are very underrated too. He can counter punch, box and slug when needed, meaning he can adapt and try something different. We all know what Pavlik will do, left/right left/right hayemaker...etc, too predictable in my opinion and I believe Abraham will take full advantage of it.
     
  14. québecwarrior

    québecwarrior Georges 'Rush' St-Pierre Full Member

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    we didnt watch the same fight..pavlik wasnt SERIOUSLY tired late in the second taylor fight
     
  15. Hermit

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    That is why he won the fight. Took the last two and had enough left in the 11th to hurt Taylor with a body shot.