Perception

A LOOK AT A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION.
His best results were the following.
At 22
A 20rds draw with another newcomer .

A 20 rds draw with an established , rated boxer,whom he outweighed by 63lbs.

A 4 rd tko over a 40 year old ex contender, who had lost his last 2 fights.

A 3rd tko over a 37 years old man , in ill health who had not fought in 4 years and that a no contest ,prior to which he had not fought in a year.

A 3 rds tko over a man who had been beaten by an 11-3-1 welterweight ,8 months previously.

A 20rds dec over a rated fighter ,who was 8inches shorter,[5' 8''] and 25lbs lighter.

A 10rds dec over a fringe contender [9-5-4] 25lbs lighter who had been kod in 5 by his next to last opponent.

An 11 rds ko over a world champion who was a month short of 37 , who had not fought in 2 years and ,was 39lbs lighter.

A rematch with the 5 foot 8inch opponent, who was spotting him 37lbs, this was a life and death struggle in which he won a very close 25rds dec.

A 1rd ko over a complete no hoper whom he outweighed by 60lbs ,a man who had been kod in 4rds ,3 months earlier , this no body was 4 -2 -4 when he got his title shot.

A win by 23rds ko over a 33 years old ex champ ,who had not fought in 2 yeas ,nor won a fight in 6 years, the ex champ was 30lbs lighter and was in front at the time of the ko.

A no dec 4 rounder with a 40lbs lighter ,contender .

A 2rds ko over a fringe contender he outweighed by 40 lbs.

A corner retirement win [5/6rds ] due to rib damage, over previous opponent [the first 20rds draw]

An 8 rds ko over a 39 years old former champ who had not fought in 2 years and was giving away 47lbs, the winner shipped so much punishment in this fight, it would have been stopped under todays rules.

A 10rds ko over a former champ who was nearly 37 and, had not fought in 3 years,and was conceding 27lbs.

A 2rds tko over an 8-3-2 hyped ham and egger.

A 15rds ko loss in a comeback fight after 6 years in retirement

Is this a record sufficient to call its owner one of the greats?

 

You criticised me before in a thread about Jeffries on video ,
. You asked if there was any chance of serious discussion on the subject without myself or Mendoza being involved?
I deleted my post and ,said I looked forward to your own input, you produced NONE.
You are full of ****.

 

He was a good champion without doubt, the first big heavyweight champion and ,he went undefeated throughout his real career.
Was he a great Champ is the question?

 

Your objection to my posting on the Jeffries video thread was that it would negate serious discussion,then ,when I edited out my posts,[ which two other posters praised ],you contributed **** all to the discussion.
You dont offer valid criticism, you dont offer anything ,if you dont agree with my thread, either show why, by posting or ,leave it the **** alone.
You dont want to get sucked in?
Looking at your contributions in the general forum and the lounge we have had a narrow escape.

 

Your first point is true.
The second one is open for debate.
Jeffries reign was defences over two ex champs who were both coming out of retirement, both were past prime,and massively outsized.
A much smaller fighter, whom he greatly outweighed, Sharkey .
Ruhlin ,a wildly inconsistent fighter.
Two ham and eggers ,Munroe & Finnegan , and a fringe contender Kennedy.
Is that a better reign than Burns for example?
A man who took his title around the world defending against bigger men who were at least active fighters ,and in their primes.
Scoring 8 kos in 9 defences in a 2 year period, before finally facing up to his most dangerous challenger ,a man Jeffries ducked in his last years as champ.