Pillow fists

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  1. Twentyman

    Twentyman You dog nonce! banned Full Member

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    Can we chuck this myth in the bin about Fury apparently being pillow fisted now? When he plants his feet he can knock an opponent senseless. Look at the state of Wilder last night, busted up, bleeding from the ear and mouth. In fact, the power of one of his shots to Wilder’s torso knocked him half way across the ring on to canvas.

    I’m not making out he’s a puncher, but he can clearly end a fight with his power.
     
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    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Any man that size can obviously hit very hard when they plant themselves and punch through. They can generate devastating power.
    I'm surprised by the amount of boxing fans who seem not to understand that,
     
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    Hattonmad Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I just made a big post relating to this. I'll chuck it in here now.
     
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    Hattonmad Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We were told we were daft for believing that Fury bangs harder at the higher weight. That was despite him stopping Chisora, Hammer and most recently Schwarz in two rounds while weighing above 260 pounds. John Fury knows his son better than anyone and said the same thing but apparently it was all in our heads. Well, last night proved once more that Fury is an animal of a man above 260 pounds and perhaps moreso closer to 270. The fact is he was never feather fisted. He's now stopped 21 of the 28 men he's faced. He fought cautiously v the great Wladimir Klitschko and that performance, along with comeback fights he wasn't match fit for like Seferi, Pianetta, Wilder and Wallin have been tediously used every day to tell us he's not a puncher. Well, last night he looked like a pretty devastating puncher.

    With the addition of Sugar Hill fine tuning his attack, it proved to be the best offensive version of Fury we've seen and he'll only get better now that he's established his best 2.0 weight and works more with Sugar Hill.

    The jab was fantastic. He was fully committed to it and couldn't miss Wilder and it looked to be a really hurtful weapon, stopping Wilder in his tracks time and time again. The right hands that landed were brutal and the first knockdown almost lifted Wilder off his feet. He telegraphed a few wild right hands and that's what he needs to keep fine tuning in the gym with Sugar. Most impressive of all were the body shots. They completely zapped the leaking gas tank of Wilder and again, he almost lifted him off his feet with the body shot that put Wilder down. Beautuful work.

    The boxing IQ was there and he was able to avoid any of Wilder's attacks by bobbing and weaving while countering immediately after the assault. Wilder couldn't time Fury's movement patterns this time because he was terrified of the big counters coming back from Fury. Fury also utilised his size advantage much better than the first fight by man handling and leaning on Wilder in the clinch. All of the above combined took Wilder's soul and in the end, he was a sitting duck with no power left in his attacks. His corner were right to pull him out and probably should've did it earlier and Kenny Bayless was very kind to him in the clinch as well where he was being legally bullied on the inside.

    A classic overall heavyweight performance and I'm delighted that the best, most charismatic heavyweight we've seen in many years is finally getting the praise and credit he deserves. When you consider how poorly he's looked after himself yet performs to that level, the man is a genius.
     
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    Work the body Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was always a myth anyway. People just sort of took it upon themselves to say it because it was the only stick they could beat him with.
     
  6. HarryTrav

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    Not to take anything away from Fury he ain't 'feather fisted' but he ain't a big puncher either, it took him a few rounds to get Wilder out of there when it looked like Wilder could barely stand up. If the tables were turned for the fight do you think Wilder would have taken 5 or 6 rounds to get Fury out of there? Great performance from Fury but this is starting to get a little silly, boxing fans have short memories.
     
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    Fury in the past has punched mainly with relaxed hands and a lot of time in slow replays you can see his wrists were actually bent. They were effectively heavy flicks and slaps whilst leaning his 6’9 frame away.. very Peter Fury influenced. Ben Davison also trained him this way, I presume working to the strengths he’d seen in him in beating Klitschko. Credit has to be given to Fury and his team for knowing what he was capable of and reverting to his original style and applying it.
     
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    His power is similar to that of Joe Joyce.

    He's a clubbing puncher using his weight rather than an explosive puncher.

    He might not knock you clean out but hell beat you up with volume.

    He hits plenty hard enough.
     
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  9. Taylor2010

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    The only pillows that Fury brought were for Wilder to sleep on (Gareth A Davies)
     
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    I’m not sure it’s a myth. He’d stopped roughly a third of his opponents which doesn’t suggest he’s a big puncher.

    The finish reminded me a little bit of Bellew v Haye. A guy who was obviously completely done and absolutely desperate against a guy who was beating him up.
     
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    He's always been a bit spindly legged but when I saw that vid it was surprising how chunky they were. Maybe that allowed him the confidence to plant himself. Also noticed much less of the spazmodic head movement. I can't remember who it was, maybe a guest on Joe Rogan or Joe himself who said that keeping that sort of head movement going for 12 rounds was shattering.
     
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    I still wouldn't describe him as a puncher.
     
  13. Twentyman

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    Neither would I, but definitely hurtful, thudding, concussive. Some people genuinely believed he didn’t even have the power to deter a fighter from walking forward. Another round or two and Wilder was going to get put down for the count.
     
  14. Hattonmad

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    Nor would I. But only the better chins in the division would take that pressure and Anthony Joshua isn't one of them.
     
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    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    I'd limit it at 'discouraging' personally. Not a proper feather fist certainly. Mind you, it's a bit like Ruiz. He looked feather fisted prior to the AJ fight.