Prospects not fighting enough?

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Big Dunk, Mar 9, 2011.


  1. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    If we just take Sky's 11 for 2011 and look at how many times they have boxed in the last 12 months.

    David Price - 5
    Richard Towers - 3
    Joe Selkirk - 3
    Matty Askin - 4
    Carl Frampton - 4
    Scott Quigg - 4
    Karl Place - 5
    Joe Murray - 4
    Tony Jeffries - 3
    BJ Saunders - 2
    Frankie Gavin - 3


    This is really a problem. If you look at the most succesful British fighters of the previous generation in Hatton & Calzaghe they were fighting at least 8 times a year until they got to Championship level. This can inly be a negative for the fighters.
     
  2. LP_1985

    LP_1985 JMM beat Pac-Man 3 Times Full Member

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    suppose it depends how u look at it. no point in price fighting 5 times if hes just blowing over-matched opponents 1 after the other where as Gavin is being moved along steadily. 1 good thing for price is going abroad sparring with the likes of Solis and he think he sparred the polish geezer Soswinkski
     
  3. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    But Gavin should have been facing a guy like Lomax a year ago....in his 9th fight.
     
  4. LP_1985

    LP_1985 JMM beat Pac-Man 3 Times Full Member

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    yea maybe but hes making progress gradually which is better than some on that list. Gavin knows what he can do and knows his time will come.

    i do agree tho, they should be fighting more often

    IMO, joe selkirk should be pushed alot quicker than he is.
     
  5. jdawg

    jdawg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yea its definately an issue, with the big money promoters sign these kids to straight away they need them on not just t.v (with limited dates over the last 12 months) but big shows to at least not make big losses on their investment. Its why you see legit complaints on here where a decent prospect is fighting a poor imported fighter into thier 2nd year of fighting for example. You'd think get them fights done and dusted with the rounds in on a york hall card in the 1st year and speed up the progression.

    The lack of activity is fine for someone with the abilities of a Gavin or Degale who's adapted quickly (and might not be deemed a prospect hence not in your list) but you see a Jeffries or BJ Saunders needing more time to adapt and work things out and not being given that time/fights in which to do it.

    Premier sports needs the backing, get these guys on the box and more often and promoters need to be more realistic when shelling out the cash on prospects
     
  6. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    I get that the olympic fighters are on big deal and you need TV to support that. They should put in there contracts a minumum amount of TV fights and then non TV fights for which they are paid a bit less. Will benefit there career in the long run.
     
  7. Big Dunk

    Big Dunk Rob Palmer Full Member

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    **** off.
     
  8. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    No one is fighting enough really.
     
  9. Flash Jab

    Flash Jab Boxing Junkie banned

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    It's all kicking off in here.
     
  10. cheekyvid

    cheekyvid Detroit, I shall return. Full Member

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    yeah, it is definitely a problem and the fact that sky give so many shows to prizefighter is part of this issue, those dates could be better used to show many prospects. FW's PPV's have been great lately but then sky let Hayemaker away with showing only one live fight pre Audley-Haye, that's terrible.

    Haye is doing the exact opposite of what he stated he would when he started hayemaker promotions.

    I also agree, premier sports need to be backed, they've done one show and it was good - 2 well matched british title fights. Tyson fury vs brazilian bum aint great but how many times has Maloney matched two of his best evenly on the one show?? he wouldn't dare risk it
     
  11. jdawg

    jdawg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The 1 positive that can be taken from it is there ought to be better domestic fights having to be made, more competition for T.V spots surely would mean promoters making a few gambles earlier on than the had to in recent times? (referring to Calzaghe and Hatton) Take the heavyweight scene, you had Del, Sexton, Fury, Price, Dallas, Big larry in with the War Horses Skelton, McDermott, Williams and he who should never be named again not that long ago all fighting. As forces on the domestic scene for one reason or another that list is slowly wittling down and should continue to until your only left with a couple at best that make it onto the world stage

    Sky gives out the dates but are not strong enough with their quality control if you like. If HBO dont want a fight they wont have it, Sky seem to take whatevers on offer
     
  12. modestbiggles

    modestbiggles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I realise that this isn't a concrete arguement, but look at the quality of opposition between Frankie Gavin, and for example Ricky Hattons:

    In his 9th fight Hatton fought Kevin Carter, who was 1 - 2 - 0.
    In his 9th fight Gavin fought Michael Lomax, who was 17 - 3 - 1.

    In his 7th fight Calzaghe fought Mark Lee Dawson, who was 7 - 9 - 0.
    In his 7th fight Degale fought Sam Horton, who was 15 - 1 - 0.

    They might not fight as often, but the opposition is decent at least, however much we mock them.
     
  13. 'Ben'

    'Ben' Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good point. Although, prospects seem to be getting matched tougher than a few years ago, they should still fight more regular though. Gavin only fighting three times in 2010 is bad but at least Warren acknowledges this.
     
  14. kosaros

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    If more TV companies had an interest in showing boxing, then you would see prospects having more fights. As it is, Sky are the only channel screening domestic boxing regularly and this leaves a limited amount of shows for the promoters tied to the them.

    Warren has the biggest stable and probably only about 8 shows a year on Sky. With him not doing any off-TV shows, this means he can't justify financially putting his prospects on more shows. If he did that, then he would have 14-15 fights per card which isn't viable. The same for Maloney (although he does have fighters - like Place - who are also tied to VIP which means they get out on some of their shows) and Matchroom.

    More TV means more shows and more opportunities for prospects.
     
  15. jdawg

    jdawg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    a good point but isnt the issue that then FW had the time to imfamously look after his fighters progression and turn them into superstars? Also Degale and Gavin are the best prospects we have, they should be fighting these guys its the other prospects who need more fights to learn their trade that concerns me.