Rahman - Unappreciated

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Russell, Jun 17, 2008.

  1. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2004
    Messages:
    14,285
    Likes Received:
    40
    Most of Rahman's misfortune has been due to him being out of shape and/or lacking focus. He's let himself down too much.

    Unfortunate not to be 2-0 against Tua. Decent scalp in Sanders, great scalp in Lewis, unlucky not to get the nod vs Toney. A 2-time HW belt holder, so not quite a 'one-hit wonder' either. He's a notably busy fighter as well, even at his heavier weights, with a stiff left jab and a good overhand right.

    To have a better career, he would've needed a much tighter mental (and physical) focus. He also really should've developed a consistant left hook, as he's basically been a 1-2 fighter all his career. He's also never been a smooth mover in the ring, a little plodding, and his defence tends to be fairly average.

    I think he fits in quite well with a bunch of fighters from the 80s that had talent but only occasionally lived up to it, the like of Witherspoon and Thomas and Tubbs etc.

    He doesn't get the respect his best performances deserve, but then he only has himself to blame due to the poor performances and losses he's also been capable of.
     
  2. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2007
    Messages:
    13,685
    Likes Received:
    344
    I scored the Toney fight a draw. As tired as Toney appeared at times, I don't think Rahman did enough to win. Besides, Toney is a blown up middleweight. If anything, that fight should say more about Toney's talents than Rahman's.

    Tua was a different fighter the first time Rahman faced him. That was back when he through more punches. The stoppage may have been a bit too quick, but I think that younger Tua was catching up to Rahman.

    I think he's much better than someone like say, John Mugabi. All Mugabi ever did was lose to Hagler. At least Rahman won against the best fighter in his division's era.

    I would have to rate him above Quarry. Rahman's win over Lewis puts him at a higer standing. Quarry would need to have a win over Frazier or Ali to be rated higher.

    I would have to say he is better than Leon Spinks.
     
  3. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2005
    Messages:
    19,404
    Likes Received:
    278
    Completely irrelevant when scoring the fight.
     
  4. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2007
    Messages:
    13,685
    Likes Received:
    344
    What's irrelevant when scoring a fight? Whether or not your work rate is enough for the situation. So punching is not relevant?

    I stated that Rahman could not outwork an exhausted middleweight. The undersized, under prepared Toney was holding his own. That has nothing to do with the actual scoring, other than the not outworking part. Besides, I never said check out this scoring criteria or anything to that effect. That was not the point. The point is that Toney is the one who should receive the praise for that fight. Rahman is a heavyweigt. Toney shouldn't be.

    I don't understand what you are getting at.
     
  5. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2005
    Messages:
    19,404
    Likes Received:
    278
    The fact that Toney is a middleweight is irrelevant. The way your other post comes across is asif "well Toney's exhausted but he's a former middleweight, and Rahman can't really capatilize, so i'll give Toney the round!". Toney's former weight class, his girlfriends cup size and his own ***** tits have one thing in common: they're completely irrelevant when scoring a fight.


    By the way, Rahman did outwork him.
     
  6. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2007
    Messages:
    13,685
    Likes Received:
    344
    I scored the Toney fight a draw.-The op said that Rahman was robbed in this one. I was giving my verdict on the fight.

    As tired as Toney appeared at times, I don't think Rahman did enough to win.- This was meant to be negative remark about Rahman's performance. Rahman could not outwork his fat, undertrained opponent. Maybe I should have said "effectively outwork." Rahman may have thrown more punches. Rahman still did not do enough to win. Neither did Toney. Like I said, I scored it a draw.

    Besides, Toney is a blown up middleweight. If anything, that fight should say more about Toney's talents than Rahman's. -I think that was pretty self explanatory. Has nothing to do with the scoring, and is relevant when describing Toney's talents.
     
  7. gregor

    gregor Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2005
    Messages:
    1,962
    Likes Received:
    3
    I don't think Rahman is underrated. He was really lucky with Lewis, who simply underestimated him. As the result LL came undertrained and a little overweight... and still was doing more or less OK to the moment of stoppage.

    Other than that Rahman had a couple of good wins, but also some dissapointing losses. He was stopped (in a sense) by ancient Holy who already couldn't beat any decent fighter, he lost wide decision to Ruiz, tried diving against Maskaev in the first time and was just about to repeat it in the rematch. Not to mention that when he met motivated version of Lewis he couldn't win a single round.