Remembering Bob Cleroux

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I wanted to start a whole discussion on this fighter, but after doing a search, found a great article from the ESB archives back in 2007. So I did the lazy thing and cut and pasted it...


    Remembering Bob Cleroux - Heavyweight Contender From The Sixties

    11.08.07 - By Paul McCreath: If one was to look back at the better heavyweights to come out of Canada in the last 50 years the first name that would come to mind would be George Chuvalo. George was one of the toughest battlers to ever enter the ring. While a bit short on technical skills, George could take a punch like no other. ​

    In 93 pro bouts against the likes of Muhammad Ali(twice), George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Ernie Terrell and Alex Miteff (twice), he was never knocked off his feet. Would you believe that at the same time that George was at his peak, there was another Canadian world contender who actually beat Chuvalo two times out of three in rugged 12 rounders with the Canadian title at stake? We are talking about the almost forgotten Bob Cleroux. ​

    Bob was a French Canadian from Montreal. Born in 1938, he turned pro while still a young lad in 1957. He faced the usual suspects in his early career, fighting around the Province of Quebec. His only minor setback was to the slick Eddie Vick, a 6-round draw in June of 1958. Three weeks later Bob set the record strait by winning an 8 rounder over the same Vick.​

    Cleroux's first attempt at stepping up came in a semi-final 8-rounder at Madison Square Garden in New York in May of 1959. He dropped the decision to the Texas veteran Buddy Turman who arrived with a 30-5 record. It didn't take long for Bob to return to the victory column. He came back to New York in February of the next year to outpoint the German contender Willi Besmanoff. Willi had fought nearly every top heavy and upset a few of them. His previous two bouts had been losses to top rated Sonny Liston and Eddie Machen.​

    1960 proved to be a good year for Cleroux. In July, he returned to Montreal to stop top 10 rated Roy Harris in five rounds. Roy was 30-2 at the time with his only losses being a title bout with Floyd Patterson and a later KO by Sonny Liston. The very next month, Bob stepped up for his first battle with Chuvalo for the Canadian title. In front of a large crowd at The Forum, the home of the Montreal Canadiens of the NHL, Cleroux, now 21-1-1, won a split decision in 12 rounds over the rated Chuvalo to become the Canadian champ.​

    In October, Bob gained revenge for his earlier loss to Buddy Turman with a 2nd round stoppage, this time in Montreal. The following month he was back in with Chuvalo in a rematch, again at the Forum. This time George took the honors with a unanimous decision.​

    The loss of his title did not deter Cleroux for long. In May of 1961, he stopped Roy Harris again in five rounds, then followed up the next month with a 7th round win over veteran contender Alex Miteff. Previously, Miteff had held Chuvalo to a 10-round split decision in March of that year. He was beginning to slip but was still no easy foe.​

    In August came the third and final bout with Chuvalo,once more at The Forum.This time Bob regained his Canadian crown with a 12 round decision. He was now in contention for a world title shot and he ventured to San Francisco in April of 1962 to meet the top ranked Zora Folley in a bout he hoped would lead to a chance at the champion Floyd Patterson.Folley along with Eddie Machen had been the leading contenders for some time but had been avoided by Patterson while he defended against easier foes like Pete Rademacher,Roy Harris,and Brian London.Unfortunately,Folley won the 10 rounder and Bob's title hopes went down the drain.After one easy tune-up bout he lost his next fight in Miami Beach to another top 10 fighter,big Mike DeJohn,again over 10 rounds.DeJohn had lost his last 3 bouts,but they were against Machen twice and Folley.He was still a top fighter.​

    The DeJohn defeat set Cleroux back some, so he returned to Quebec and regrouped by winning seven in a row over keep busy type opposition. The only name on this list of victims was former contender Tom McNeely, who was only slightly better than his son Peter turned out to be later. Bob took a 10-round decision at The Garden in Boston.​

    Now it was time to try the big time again but another 10 round loss to Zora Folley told Cleroux it was time to pack it in.The retirement lasted about 5 years and then in July of 1968 Bob began a comeback campaign.He won 9 strait over the usual trial horses except for one 10 round victory in July of that year over Cleveland "Big Cat" Williams who was still a formidable opponent for any of the top men.The next year,again in July the end came unexpectedly.Matched with Billy Joiner who brought an ordinary 9-5 record into the bout,Bob dropped the 10 round decision and retired for good.​

    Cleroux left behind a fine record of 48-6-1 with 38 KOs. In spite of meeting most of the top dogs of his time, he was never stopped. At 6 foot 2 and around 205 pounds at his peak, he was a big man for those years and a real handful for any of the top fighters. He was more of a puncher than a slick boxer and it was usually the smart technical boxers who gave him the most trouble. It is hard to believe that such a good fighter has been so forgotten today. ​
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    What I don't believe this article mentioned was that Cleroux was in the middle of negotiations for a world title shot against Jimmy Ellis in 1969, when he blew his chance by losing to Billy Joiner.

    Not a bad fighter by anyone's standards.
     
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  3. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, I remember him well. He was rated in the Top 10 for a total of 37 months from October 1960 to February 1964. His highest rating was #4.
     
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    Being a top 10 rated contender for over 3 years, including a brief period of cracking the top 5, along with holding your country's continental title is a respectable feat.
     
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  6. The Kurgan

    The Kurgan Boxing Junkie banned

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    He's one of those boxers that you see on boxrec and never hear about anywhere else. What was his style like?

    It's interesting that Canada produced two extremely durable boxers during that period.
     
  7. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Good question. I wish I knew, but have never seen any footage of him. The article describes him as being more of a puncher type who struggled with slick boxers, but I realize that's a bit vague.
     
  8. Brian Zelley

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    We need to look at his bouts with George Chuvalo and Zora Folley

    Kind of interesting how Zora Folley and Eddie Machen were likely the two best boxrs of the era and could not get title shots.
     
  9. I am Legion

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    He boxed an exhibition with gerry cooney, not sure if it was before or after the holmes fight. To be fair he was probably cooneys toughest opponent up to that point, holmes aside.
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  10. fists of fury

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    Nice thread. I confess I know very little about Cleroux as well. But this is what we need more of here, imo. Threads like this teach me something.

    It's fine talking about ATG's and top 10 lists and blah, blah, blah, but elite fighters represent maybe 1% of the total fighters that make up boxing.

    The sport is about a whole lot more than the select few. Nice thread.
     
  11. Senor Pepe'

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    Robert 'Bob' Cleroux,,,,,,,,,

    His boxing career and pursuit of a shot at the Heavyweight Championship were
    going well, until the Montreal, Canada fighter was given a 10-Round 'boxing lesson'
    by Zora Folley in May 1963 (his second loss to Zora Folley).

    The 6' 1" 215 lb. - 25 year-old 'promising heavyweight', abruptly retired, with a
    very good record of 37-5-1 (33 KO's), and a #7 World Ranking.

    5-years later, the 'boxing bug' re-visited, and he came back at age 30, and put together a
    streak of '9' straight wins - including a solid 10-Round Decision win over the faded but
    still dangerous Cleveland Williams.

    While improving to 48-5-1 (38 KO's), and earning a #8 WBA Heavyweight ranking, and
    in-line for a 'Title Shot' versus WBA Heavyweight Champion, Jimmy Ellis (pre-scheduled
    for September 1969) - Bob Cleroux takes on 29 year-old Cincinati, Ohio journeyman,
    190 lb. Billy 'Willie Swift' Joiner in July 1969 for a final tune-up bout.

    What looks like a 'safe opponent for a tune-up, the bout is held in Montreal, Canada (Cleroux's home-base).
    Joiner, with a 'spotty record' of 9-5-3 (4 KO's), has gone 0-4-3 in his last 7-Bouts, and has not posted a win in
    3-years (last win on June 13, 1966).

    You guessed it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Well, Billy 'Willie Swift' pretty much boxed circles around the plodding 31 year-old, and won a Split-Decision,
    and scored by '3' Montreal, Canada judges; (5-3-2 Joiner) - (3-2-5 Joiner) - (3-2-5 Cleroux)

    Ring Magazine had it for a 'wider-margin' for Billy Joiner; 6-2-2 in Rounds, as 'Willie Swift' Joiner swept the
    final '4' Rounds with ease, after a competitive and even fight after '6' Rounds.

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  12. sweetsci

    sweetsci Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I know this is an old thread, but I really doubt that Cleroux had an exhibition with Gerry Cooney before or after the Holmes fight. Perhaps the poster is confusing Cleroux with Boone Kirkman.

    I just don't rate Cleroux highly. His only wins over ranked fighters were over Chuvalo and George Logan. He sat on his top-10 rating for ages, fighting just enough to keep the ranking but not really defending it.

    Perhaps I'm not giving him a fair shake, but there sure are a lot of wins against novices and losses when he stepped up (which wasn't much).

    Edit: somewhere along the line, well after retirement, Cleroux did fight an exhibition bout with someone... maybe Yvon Durelle?
     
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