Foxy I have one question for you. Do you think it's normal for the body to gain muscle and then after 35 start losing muscle again? Because I can't think of many fighters who went up in weight in their 30's and then chose to loss weight and fight at a lower division afterwards. The body really can't handle losing muscle after 35 very well. If you think I'm wrong please provide me say a have dozen or so fighters who went up in weight then went down weight divisions and won.
Ha! You have zero credibility. Nobody is going to have a serious debate with you, when you don't recognize that Floyd and SRL are great fighters. Or that Roy vs Ruiz could have gone either way. :good
No chance for Tim Witherspoon to do better than Ali against Henry Cooper , Doug Jones , Jimmy Ellis , Jerry Quarry , Sony Banks ? and even against Zora Folley , literally shot Cleveland Williams , Floyd Patterson , Bob Foster and Ernesto Terrell ? and probably against Chuvalo too ?
Yes, when you look at his earlier fights he was probably slower, but I think by 2000 he wasn't training as hard as he had previously. Easy to think his prime starts around the Tate fight and then Toney later that year. While the fight with Hopkins wasn't pretty, he looked great the fight before that. Wasn't much different then the Tate fight.
This has been debated until it has been done to death. Check with Loudon, he will tell you EXACTLY what Jones' walking around weight was, exactly how much he weighed on average ( in the ring ) when he fought at Light Heavy, and EXACTLY how much weight he put on for the Ruiz fight, and how much of it was muscle. Or at the very least his version of said weights. I think you will find that he increased his muscle mass by about 8 lbs for the Ruiz fight. It is HIS fault, and his ALONE that he chose to stay at that weight for months whilst trying to negotiate fights that in reality he had no chance of getting. Fanboys have sympathy, everyone else doesn't give a fvck about the excuses.
Entertaining fighter, but everything after the Toney fight was smoke and mirrors. We never got the fights we wanted from him. Very frustrating time to be a fan.
There were a few very good contemporaries he should have fought. One that comes to mind is Dariusz Michalczewski . He could have also fought Joe Calzaghe around '02. I think Roy would have won those two fights. Also he could have stayed at Middleweight longer and fought Gerald McClellahn or Benn. He would have been way to fast and slick for the wild Benn, but Gerald could have given him some serious problems because of his great power coupled with good speed and disciplined attack. He even could have fought Gerald at Super Middleweight. Come to think of it, I don't think Roy wanted any part of McClellan. This may be one guy he avoided.
I am a fan of boxing. I am NOT a fan boy of any particular fighter. They make my skin crawl. I'll defend any fighter who these muppets try to denigrate due to their own agendas, generally to try to bolster their hero, particularly fighters like Lewis, and Calzaghe, who both beat every man they ever faced. I don't give a toss what fan boys think of them or their idea's of who they believe they should have fought. However my particular dislike is for those fvcking Tyson freaks. There is no limit to the lies, bulls**t, and down right fantasies they will stoop to in their efforts to delude themselves about his defeats, particularly the myth busting hiding he took in Tokyo. I ask you, is it really anyone else's fault but their own that these fools are so moronic that they denied what their own eyes showed them, and still desperately clung on the the myth that Tokyo was just a blip, whilst watching him feed on bugs and earwigs until Holyfield battered the gimp into submission again? On the other thread I posted a link to a video which shows the Douglas KD and the Tyson KO simultaneously in which the ref counts at exactly the same timing in both instances. This was to dispell the claims by the usual Tyson freak suspects that Douglas was given a longer count than Tyson. As expected his feeble minded fan boys have buried their heads in the sand, because truth / and /or reality doesn't suit their fantasising. So no I am not a fan of any particular fighter, especially the ones that are built up to be something they are not, like steroid cheats, and hype jobs.
My opinion as a fan and hardcore follower of the sport is not about being fair. You want a bull**** fake down the middle answer, ask a politician.