Steroids and Classic Boxing

This sight is pro testicles also, speaking of boxers real or fictional do you know Stallone uses a pump when having sex because of the damage he has done to himself via steroid abuse? These guys are NUTS!

 

Maybe that's why Tyson had a whizzer, all that gear messed up his love wrench that much that he could no longer ****......

 

Steroids were never relevant in any sport until the 1950s, even then they only reached boxing later on. Originally it was a bodybuilding-specific enhancer.

Steroid testing is becoming better and better, windows for drug use, shorter and shorter. Eventually steroids will cease to be relevant (in tested sports). Personally, i think they're already restricted enough to where non drug users can succeed at world level

I agree with the message of anyone can be a user and, of course, i frown upon in morally for the side effects

 

PED's of one sort or another were always the cost of doing business in this sport. Strychnine and brandy gave way to amphetamines, then to steroids, to HGH and EPO, to the designer PED's that followed.

What annoys me most is the contradictory attitude many fans have regarding them. As in, they demonize the fighters yet glroify the eras they were in - particularly the 80's-90's, though they were starting to gain traction in the 70's.

We have people wanting to tear down Evander for using (though he was just one of many in his era), while simultaneously complaining at how, mysteriously, the quality of heavyweight fights went downhill once testing got better at catching the traditional steroids.

Like, hmmm, maybe there's a correlation there- maybe the era was entertaining in part because most of the participants were packing more juice than an orange grove? And if you hypocrites didn't like it, ya wouldn't tune in!

 

Either legalize them or ban fighters permanently who get caught using IMO. Either one is fine to me i don't really care, it's just the way it is now i do think it messes with peoples legacies with unfair advantages they gain on them (as well as clean fighters legacies). They need to be completely accepted or not tolerated at all.

 

Do not tolerate them at all.
They are not only bad for the health, but who benefits how much is largely a matter of doping protocol & peculiarities of receptors for & effect of PEDs.

Why have a freak show, or stigmatize folks as hypocrites when enjoying a sport when they did not know who was using?

Allowing cheats to steal money & glory & dreams from equally or more talented & tough clean athletes is a Travesty.

Lachbuster, many are too cynical, assuming that most anyone can cheat, even today, & get away with it.
I am afraid you are too optimistic re: the ability to evade testing, especially for substances not even tested for now.

But it never made any sense to assume that most everyone has cheated.
That nobody would want to compete fairly. That nobody was very concerned about the effects.
That boxers (especially in the lower weight classes, & in a sport where lifting was frowned upon for most of its history...
Would ot see a point of diminishing returns or worse, & some would choose to stay clean for a lifetime.

 

Do you have any assurance this is not just a rumor? What are the sources please.
Stallone was not structurally large & juice for years. Even throwing HGH I believe out of a hotel window to avoid being caught in Australia.
I was a member of the oldest continually active gym in NYC for years, & knew someone who worked out with Stallone & he was juicing in the '80's
Strange thing is he added MORE mass than ever-not as defined, but more bulk-by the time of Rocky V & even when just about 60 during Rocky Balboa.

But why do you think that pump story is not an urban legend?

 

I agree, either legalize them or give a lifetime ban to anyone who tests positive.

I'm sick of hearing excuses of tainted meat or some dick pills, blow hot and you're out!

 

The health risks associated with these drugs is still unclear even to this day.

I've never taken steroids because I'm worried about any potential long term effects it would have on me but I know tons of people that have used gear and are perfectly healthy years after.

It's all about genetics at the end of the day, if you're going to suffer from something then do drugs like steroids, drink, smoke and take coke then they will likely exaggerate and speed up that that process.

 

We all like to cry corruption now and again regarding the testing bodies and such but let's keep it real here.

If USADA or VADA or any other testing body was corrupt then why would they reveal failed test results in the first place of the star players in boxing and MMA?

If Golden Boy Promotions are in it up to their eyesballs and giving these people back handers then why on god's earth would they expose Canelo as a drugs cheat in the first place. The same goes for Jon Jones in UFC. If Dana White is corrupt and giving out bribes then why disclose these failed tests.

This surely does prove that the testing is legit and is not a corrupted practice, I hope this is the truth I really do.

 

Where is the evidence for any of this?
Or where you say that most all successful athletes take PEDs?
You really do not know if it is the overwhelming majorityor a significant minority.
And there is no known level of PEDs that is safe.

Where is the evidence that 99% of people everywhere take some drugs?
First of all, it is totally different to compare anyone ever taking any drugs to cheating & even changing your whole body to gain an illegal advantage.
And unless you include absurd & meaningless categories of "drugs" & are literal-like anyone even ever sipping any alcohol or even doing anything once or using the quasi-"drug" caffiene-or ever having anything with any quantity of it like chocolate, AND add in even prescription drugs...Which is not what folks mean by "drugs"...That is not correct.

If you mean what common sense would define as users, people who drink too much or take any recreational drugs regularly, it is not anything like almost everyone.
If you mean anyone ever using anything once-including drinking, which while very bad in excess, but unless you are an addict the evidence shows good for people in small daily quantities...
Then it is the majority. But this is nothing like using illegal PEDs for a competitive, career advantage.

 

This is a good, non-cynical point.
By & large these big testing bodies are imperfect & vary in efficacy, but not usually corrupt.

 

Well said.

I've come to view PEDs as a less black and white subject than I used to. I don't believe many guys are sociopaths who use PEDs to turn themselves into veiny super-villains intent on stealing their opponents' souls (Jon Jones maybe, but again, not the majority of fighters). Most do it because they know that odds are that its probable their next opponent will be using, and at the highest level, fighters are obsessed with finding an edge.

These guys are serious when they say 'I'm fighting to put food on the table'. So if a guy takes a short notice fight and takes a banned diuretic to make weight so that his 5 year old daughter can have clothes that fit, I can't pretend he's the moral equivolent of Luis Resto/Panama Lewis.

I also brought this up in the Tyson/Roid Rage Thread. A huge part of PED use is managing recovery. Muscles and ligaments handle the abuse of training much better when aided by performance enhancers. This is true across all combat sports. Its been a long time since I was any more serious in my boxing training than hitting the heavy bag three days a week. But I compete regularly in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and the regimen is exhausting to the point that the pain and fatigue consumes your everyday life in the last weeks before a major tournament.

Its probably impossible for anyone on here to appreciate the soul-stealing grind required to get ready to fight for a world title: early morning road work, sparring multiple days a week, pounding the heavy bag, doing rounds on the double end bag, exercising to condition the neck, ab exercises, hitting the pads. Throw in weight lifting several days a week as well.

At that kind of grueling pace the body is almost at the point of breaking down. The risk of injury is extremely high, and getting injured and pulling out of a fight is unbelievably costly. And fighting while injured and then losing is no picnic either.