Sugar Ray Robinson

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  1. The Predator

    The Predator Active Member Full Member

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    I like him, my type of boxing. But I read somewhere that Ali was faster in his hands than Sugar Ray Robinson, I might believe it, Ali during the 60´s was fast as lightning.
    The triple left hook is impressive, wonder where Roy Jones jr got his triple left hook from, he he!
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    The Predator, Jul 1, 2009
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  2. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The difference between RJJ & SRR is that Jones had a faster 1 punch, whereas Robinson could flurry with 10 shots loaded with power.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He certainly has a case. I think LaMotta VI is the best filmed performance i've seen, though there is loads of competition and other good picks.
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yep, treble up the hook up and down, all harde punches.

    I sometimes wonder if - if - he didn't start to sit down on his punches more at mw.
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This is obviously bull****, but I understand the point you are making.

    All I would say is that most fighters would look their absolute best on offence against this type of fighter.

    Just to say that the flipside (LaMotta) is a bigger pressure fighter with an enormous workrate and underated speed of pressure. On paper, that's a nightmarish combination for any smaller man.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    That's the one i was thinking of. Possibly he shouldn't have been allowed to continue:lol:
     
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  7. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    This is misleading. In terms of combo punching it's not really close (At least to me). But Ali left jab was recorded to be faster than SRR. Now, what I don't know is when SRR was recorded and if he was or wasn't in his prime. Ali's jab was like at the speed of .4 seconds or something.
     
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  8. stevebhoy87

    stevebhoy87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Intresting point, you could well be right, every punch he threw against la motta espicially after the 10th had bad intentions, however in the below clip of his welterweight defence against docusen he's sitting down on most of his punches, not all but most, got to love his body movement and slipping of punches in this clip as well.

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  9. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Robinson was an artist vs the much bigger Lamotta, no MWT in history coulda beat that Robinson, not one.

    The best boxer-puncher of all time.

    Best fighter period.
     
    Bill Butcher, Jul 2, 2009
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  10. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    really?

    LaMotta holds his own early then Ray starts to pull away and TKO him late. Not the best ever performance considering he had troubles early on against him. Where other fighters have shut out better fighers than LaMotta
     
    GPater11093, Jul 4, 2009
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Which better fighters than LaMotta have been shut out?
     
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  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    That was purely lethal the way SSR sets up and then executes Rocky...it is always impressive to see that film.
     
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  13. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Nelson and arguably Chavez by Whittaker, Hearns never won around vs Hagler, Hopkins by Jones Jr, McCallum by Kalambay
     
    GPater11093, Jul 4, 2009
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  14. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Personally, I'd also name Leonard-Benitez. The best perfomance I've seen.
     
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  15. Danny

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    I'm assuming you have seen footage of Ray Robsinson in action, so if you do not get why he widely considered to be the best P4P fighter in history then perhaps you won't even get why!

    Its a hard one. P4P, Numbers 1 & 2 are bolted shut, those being places belonging to Robinson & Armstrong!
     
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