Sugar Ray Robinson

The problem with this constant criticism and the bull that he was susecptible to 'pressure' fighters kind of reminds me of why people would say Mozon was a 'slow starter.' No such things. They fought 15 rounds and it's called pacing. with the exception of LaMotta Robinson was never hurt to disorientation or a possibility of being counted out in his prime and would always come back for a late round TKO or decision.

His timing precise, a KO puncher with style, he is known for that habert spear of a left hook, but his body combinations coming forward were maybe the least imitatable moves in boxing ever. I have never seen a boxer come close to throwing body combinations with the speed and power of Robinson.


Also Robins's Jab was weak? As I explained pacing but his jab was one of the best out there. He loved to throw it while backing up and using it to distance Lamotta after their first fight.


Another thing to consider in all that greatness of that freakish speed and power is that little video we see of Robinson is made with low FPS cameras. It doesn't even show us how fast and powerful he really was!

 

Flawless is boring, B

 

THE GOAT. I was lucky enough to see him play when he won.

 

He's about the most balanced fighter ever: fast, powerfull, great footwork, astonishing punch resistance, great offence, great punch variety, great combination puncher, good defence, top notch stamina and so on.
There are fighters with better single attributes but SRR is the definition of the complete package. No weaknesses and nothing close to sub-par. 7 out of ten and upwards in every single department. Who else can you say that about?

 

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:yep

Anyways, yeah Ray was indeed the complete package. Had BOMBS in both hands, could punch from every angle. Was crafty, powerful, speedy. Had a BEAUTIFUL left jab. No criticism here

1 criticism could be that he went down too much in his career...but then again.. not really because he showed us how great he was when he made those miraculous comebacks against Turpin, Fullmer, etc.

"Give me one more round" with a major cut on his face and knocked Turpin out.

Definitely one of the greatest moments in his career.

He could have been a 3 weight champion (147/160/175) but he was too spent due to the insane heat in the arena that night. FFS, the ref was unconscious by the 10th round!

Imagine what it was like for the fighters.

He was giving Maxim a boxing lesson, too bad he couldn't finish the job.

 

I think a prime Floyd Mayweather Sr, the one that nearly beat Sugar Ray Leonard but lost due to a broken hand would have a good shot at Sugar Ray Robinson.

 

He was definitely one of the few fighters who possessed pretty much every single positive trait you can have as a fighter, also considering the fact that at one point in his career he was 128-1 :admin which was truly an incredible accomplishment and that 1 loss coming to a Middleweight ATG in Jake Lamotta while still remaining undefeated at Welterweight.

It is hard to argue with someone who believes that he is indeed the greatest fighter of all time as he definitely has the credentials. :good

 

Momus earlier pointed out his relative weaknesses being defense and in-fighting, which I would probably agree with. He was athletically gifted and had quickness of foot - particularly in comparison to most of his contemporaries - but he just wasn't all that difficult to hit. I'm not so sure his tendency get involved in shootouts was necessarily a flaw. Ray clearly didn't have a problem obliging to a War, and when it comes down to it there's a higher probability that it's going to end up worse for you than it is him.

 

My kind of guy haha.

 

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SRR style was sick. An assassin.

 

Bear in mind that with the exception of Maxim he found a way to defeat everyone he faced in the ring at least once, right up until the time he lost the title to Pender (twenty years after he started his career). And during that time, he faced guys who used a variety of styles, from slicksters like Gavilan to sluggers like Levine to swarmers like Fullmer, LaMotta, and Basilio. So, while he did have some flaws...and while it's not out of the question that he might lose once in a series against fighters like say, SRL or Monzon or Hagler, I'm fairly certain that his attributes would allow him to find a way to win at least once (and likely more than once) against any fighter you can think of who has ever fought btx 147-160.

 

The way he looks and moves reminds me a little of Mosley. (Although Robinson is obviously on a completely different level.)

It was pretty funny when they were discussing Mayweather's claim of being better than Robinson during the Baldomir match:

Lampley: Emanuel, it's not just Leonard and Hearns -- he's been quoted comparing himself favourably to Sugar Ray Robinson...

Steward: Oh my God, I know he didn't do that. No, no, no, no.

Merchant: *Chuckling*

 

Most people blindly believe that Robinson was the best. How can anyone be so certain he's the best when you can't even see most of this mans fights? You can't really know how good fighters of the past were because there's little to no footage of them actually boxing. Yes his record is amazing especially at his peak but to judge someone solely off a record is BS.