How do you rank the outstanding fighters of The Black Murderers' Row against each other? My ranking of these fighters is this: #1. Charley Burley #2. Holman Williams #3. Jimmy Bivins #4. Lloyd Marshall #5. Eddie Booker #6. Jack Chase
I thought about it, Marshall's resume is superior, but I don't believe it's superior by enough to overlook the fact that their only fight resulted in Bivins knocking Lloyd out.
I suppose your right. Marshall's resume is very deep though. I can't believe that guy wasn't inducted into the IBHOF.
It's an absolute disgrace by any standards that Marshall is not a Hall-of-Famer, especially when guys like Rocky Graziano and Pipino Cuevas are in the hall. I believe Holman Williams was just recently inducted, which of course was long over due.
Bivins had at least 10-15lb on Marshall I believe, he was naturally the bigger man, so I wouldnt put too much stock on there fight. Heres how I rate them 1. Archie Moore 2. Charley Burley 3. Lloyd Marshall 4. Holman Williams 5. Eddie Booker 6. Jimmy Bivins 7. Jack Chase 8. Bert Lytell 9. Shorty Hogue 10. Joe Carter
Yeah but this was an experienced Burley against an inexperienced Moore. I think this is comparable to Jones-Hopkins quite a bit.
Burley should be above Moore, who I don't think came to his peak until after Burley had beaten him and he broke out of the Row into themainstream. I would also have Williams above Marshall, though the other way around is not unreasonable. I also think Lytell has a case for being above Chase. I like your high placing of Booker. My five: 1 - Charley Burley 2 - Holman Williams 3 - Lloyd Marshall 4 - Jimmy Bivins 5 - Eddie Booker No love for the Cocoa Kid, anyone? He dominated Williams in a series? SQ, why no Kid on your list?
I disagree with you. By the time he took on Burley he'd done 40 rounds with Jack Chase and been in thrice with Eddie Booker. I agree he wasn't peaked yet, but he was hardly inexperienced. That is more rounds with world class competition than most champions have today.
Yeah, he's just in. The problem with Marshall, and with Cocoa Kid, too, is that they were seen as "business fighters", guys who would take a dive when instructed. This also suggests they may have had a favour done in return. Now we all know that even Sugar Ray would do business with the mob occasionally, and that few fighter from that era are untouched (especially the Calafornia fighters), but these two have been singled out. It does present a conundrum.
Yep but you have to put it into perspective. For his time he was inexperienced - compare it to Burley. Nowadays it would obviously different.
This, I mosty agree with. My position is that Burley finished Moore's education. This is the fight I would love to have on film, more than any other.
I agree with it that´s why I compared it with Jones-Hopkins. Hopkins himself said he learned very much out of it and even if he entered his prime 4 years later, after Jones and the first Mercado fight he already learned everything he needed to know.