The Punchers: Middleweights

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Watch the video, whoever you are.
     
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  2. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    it would be great while it lasted and i think it wouldnt last much,Toney would caught Benn with a huge right hand and knock him out.
     
    bladerunner, Apr 22, 2008
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  3. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    At 160lbs How would you rate not how HARD but how GOOD of a puncher Toney, Eubanks, Benn were in comparison with each other. Or on a scale of 1 - 10 how would you rate Toney at 160lbs? I think Toney's ability to counter punch and land ridiculous shots that you never saw coming directly on the chin made him one of the deadliest punchers. Because what some people don't seem to appreciate with counter punching is the damage and effect that they got on a fighters chin. A weak but very very well timed, unnoticed counter punch can KO a boxer just as brutal as a viciously hard shot that was winded up but seen coming. Basically IMHO a counter punch should be scored to the same effect or under the same category as a "power shot"

    I wonder if CompuBox automatically counts counter punches under the power shot category??? what do you think about that?
     
    jecxbox, Apr 22, 2008
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  4. McGrain

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    He's a tricky subject because you never know when he's struggling with the weight and when not. He lacked discipline in general I feel, but was probably at his most disciplined in these years.

    Pure power, 6.

    Composite puncher, not less than 8.

    You?
     
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  5. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    I cant get enough of that Eubank ****.... that is like the hardest **** I have ever seen.... with the music too. I love this ****ing vid. I got to watch this **** everyday now.
     
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  6. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    I agree with the pure power, but what I added to the previous post...Counter shots are SO damaging and although 6 seems just about right as far as Pure Power, how would you rate the effect of specifically his counter punches all by themselves? I think his ability to find absurd angles and hit you when your exposed would be like 8-9 composite wise because he has seriously knocked people out senseless and he really wasn't "physically" that strong of a guy. Just a phenominal puncher.
     
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  7. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    Whats so special is that they're middleweights. Great middleweights will encompass just about EVERY element that the sport of boxing can offer. Speed Defense Offense etc, but with the absolute brutal breathtaking power. I think its the division where humanly speaking you're able to physically pull off just about everything. I think once you deviate from 160 certain aspects of the game disappear because if you go higher you lose speed in most cases, if you go lower you lose that breathtaking power.
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, i'd be interested to know how much the man himself felt he was countering punches and how much he was countering movement and how much he was countering movements he himself induced.

    But he was smart enough to turn 6 into something else, you are right.
     
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  9. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    :good
     
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  10. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I mean, that KO is just orchestrated to a "T". Spielberg couldn't have directed it any better. Strut into the ring, land a hellacious right, opponent on the canvas doing the running man, strut back to the corner. I've seen some other old Eubank, but I've got to see more...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay_W0rZt7eA

    :rofl
     
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  11. pusstulance

    pusstulance New Member Full Member

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    My mate fought Benn when they where in the army, said he lasted 12 seconds and woke up 4 minutes after hittin the canvas, but dont remember a thing coz he was concus, lol. Also he was 2 stone heavier than Benn. Says Benn was a right nasty ******* who nobody liked
     
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  12. Henbridge

    Henbridge New Member Full Member

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    Lol.
     
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  13. boxeo#1

    boxeo#1 Boxer-Puncher banned

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    :lol: :yep
     
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  14. Henbridge

    Henbridge New Member Full Member

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    He's a good ****...

    [yt]u-ESnfarCtE[/yt]
     
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  15. denilo

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    Some people also find the difference in the boxers of ourtimes willingness to "die in the ring".

    Though I, like some, find Pavlik somewhat onesided, I think he is a wrong number to that kind of criticism. I cant stop admiring his heart.

    I could imagine him in a suicidal fight like Hagler-Hearns.
    If outboxed at top level he would go all in (you can argue that he on several occasions already did go all-in, but he hasnt really been outboxed though).

    Kessler only, after being outboxed for 5 rounds, went all-in in round 12.

    I fully understand why, had he done earlier he would have highly enhanced his chances of getting KOed, but it had as well enhanced his chances of winning - and that substantially.

    Yes, it is very stupid to take that risk, at worst your career could suddenly be over!
    But guess what, I dont think those guys in this video paid that one moment of consideration!

    To be true A you must be prepared to leave it - basically everything - in the ring. Kessler obviously wasnt. He wasnt prepared to take the necessary risk.
    I do hope that that will be the knowledge that Kessler carries with him from his first superfight.

    Thats why people love limited Miranda, right, he leaves his **** in there.

    This is not a general critique, if you can win like Floyd - no problem - if you cant, leave it in there for ****s sake.
     
    denilo, Apr 25, 2008
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