thriller in Manilla

Or an hour later on +1, channel 139

 

is this the actual fight or documentary?

 

documentary, a very good one at that.

Was first on a year or so back, so you might have seen it

 

Ok thanks...

 

Does stuff from more 4 get put on 4od? Wanna watch it but can't atm.

 

It gives Fraziers side but its very, very anti Ali.

 

I still enjoyed it, though. Let's be fair, Ali was a twat in the lead-up to that fight. I think it's a fairly accurate portrayal, TBH.

 

I agree mate, Fraziers side needed telling but to watch the docu in isolation would give a very warped perspective on the whole situation IMHO.

The 60's black civil rights movement must have been a very complex/ difficult time to live though as a famous, young black man and I think that should be taken into consideration when judging Alis behaviour around that time.

 

Good lead in to 'Soho Sex King' on afterwards

 

interestingly the producer is the son of Mark Kram (author of shadows of Manila) a decent book but to much anger and agenda ridden to take seriously.

 

Fraizer was also a famous young black man at the time as well and he was well-thought of - even amongst a lot of the white community - and behaved himself and conducted himself in a gentlemanly manner in comparison to Ali. Ali's behaviour in the lead-up to that fight, IMHO, is attributed to one thing: The Nation of Islam. That's an argument that might get a bit out of hand, though. I may have just opened a can of worms.

I do agree that people should keep an open mind when watching the documentary, though. Ali's conduct in the build-up to that fight shouldn't sully all of the good he has done for various charities and the sport itself.

 

yeah I have it on Sky plus.

a really good watch and insightful

 

I don't think Joe ever felt the same pressure as Ali as regards being a famous black man. Frazier was a great boxer but was never articulate enough to be used for any political ends and Vietnam was a pretty much a none issue by the time he was champ.

Theres no denying (IMHO) that Ali was manipulated by the NOI though but at the time I think a lot of young blacks thought that something, ANYTHING needed to change in the USA.

maybe I'm just being an Ali apologist....

 

I wonder if the Nation of Islam thing has more attention in the doc because of the current preoccupations with terrorism? Sorry if that's a bit heavy!