thriller in Manilla

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  1. timber

    timber Active Member Full Member

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    on More4 sky channel 138 on now!
     
  2. chrisfinch

    chrisfinch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Or an hour later on +1, channel 139
     
  3. HMSTempleGarden

    HMSTempleGarden Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    is this the actual fight or documentary?
     
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    chrisfinch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    documentary, a very good one at that.

    Was first on a year or so back, so you might have seen it
     
  5. Primadonna Kool

    Primadonna Kool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ok thanks...
     
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    Smudger Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Does stuff from more 4 get put on 4od? Wanna watch it but can't atm.
     
  7. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    It gives Fraziers side but its very, very anti Ali.
     
  8. Losfer_Words

    Losfer_Words Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I still enjoyed it, though. Let's be fair, Ali was a twat in the lead-up to that fight. I think it's a fairly accurate portrayal, TBH.
     
  9. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    I agree mate, Fraziers side needed telling but to watch the docu in isolation would give a very warped perspective on the whole situation IMHO.

    The 60's black civil rights movement must have been a very complex/ difficult time to live though as a famous, young black man and I think that should be taken into consideration when judging Alis behaviour around that time.
     
  10. Kid Lucky

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    Good lead in to 'Soho Sex King' on afterwards
     
  11. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    interestingly the producer is the son of Mark Kram (author of shadows of Manila) a decent book but to much anger and agenda ridden to take seriously.
     
  12. Losfer_Words

    Losfer_Words Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fraizer was also a famous young black man at the time as well and he was well-thought of - even amongst a lot of the white community - and behaved himself and conducted himself in a gentlemanly manner in comparison to Ali. Ali's behaviour in the lead-up to that fight, IMHO, is attributed to one thing: The Nation of Islam. That's an argument that might get a bit out of hand, though. I may have just opened a can of worms.

    I do agree that people should keep an open mind when watching the documentary, though. Ali's conduct in the build-up to that fight shouldn't sully all of the good he has done for various charities and the sport itself.
     
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    HMSTempleGarden Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yeah I have it on Sky plus.

    a really good watch and insightful
     
  14. GazOC

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    I don't think Joe ever felt the same pressure as Ali as regards being a famous black man. Frazier was a great boxer but was never articulate enough to be used for any political ends and Vietnam was a pretty much a none issue by the time he was champ.

    Theres no denying (IMHO) that Ali was manipulated by the NOI though but at the time I think a lot of young blacks thought that something, ANYTHING needed to change in the USA.

    maybe I'm just being an Ali apologist....
     
  15. Kid Lucky

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    I wonder if the Nation of Islam thing has more attention in the doc because of the current preoccupations with terrorism? Sorry if that's a bit heavy!