thriller in Manilla

was joe fraizer not black?

 

Have you seen Parkeys take on all that? He reckoned Ali was worried about getting caught out on reading the book and went on the offensive to avoid it.

 

See page 2.

(and its Frazier, not Fraizer)

 

Not trying to be profound. He was a cheap shotting, smart arsed, underhanded little ****. Make all the excuses you want for him about 'the time he lived in' blah blah blah. The **** he talked about Frazier was below the belt and beyond the limits of usual shite. He was a sneaky little ****. It wasn't just that he showed Frazier no respect, it was the active disrespect he gave then man. A man who supported him when he was up **** creek and persona no grata as well.

People can love him for what he did in the ring but I've no time for the excuse or apologists who try and defend him being a ****.

 

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guy you cant defend alis actions during this period in his life and for you even to atempt this is wrong

 

Ali was/is a racist.

 

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So my opinion is "blah, blah, blah" but your superbly reasoned argument calling a Ali a "****" is somehow better?

 

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He was def. a racist but (again) he was a product of his times.

 

I've got my Thrillas and Rumbles mixed up dumbass that I am...I was 20 minutes into the film wondering why Frazier was on talking and we hadn't seen Foreman yet

 

I've got to get to bed in a mo (up at 6am) but I've put my opinion across in pages 1 and 2 of this thread. If you want to quote and reply to the posts I've made then feel free, we'll have a discussion tomorrow.:good

 

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I wasn't refering to your own personal opinion. Don't take it personally fella. I just have no time for Ali apologists around this time of his life. He may have regretted stuff after (or said he did) and people can give all the reasons or excuses for why he did and said what he did. The bottom line is he acted like a complete **** at that time in his life. Thats the bottom line for me. The man was responsible for his own actions and he acted extremely poorly. **** this talk about him being conflicted or led by the Nation. You are responsible for your own actions

I've no reason to be biased towards Frazier or Ali. I just call it like i see it. And all I see with Ali is a chicken**** little coward with a big mouth abusing and belittling Frazier to feed his own purposes and ego when the very least he owed Frazier was a basic level of respect. The kind of repsect and common decency human beings should generally lend to each other anyway.