Top 20 Lightweights

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by George Crowcroft, Mar 24, 2019.


  1. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So 134.75 is not in the lightweight division? Interesting. What division is it?
     
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  2. PhillyPhan69

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    So I hope you are working on your flyweight list so we can begin discussing the most underrated and most exciting division
     
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  3. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    135 is a division as in the LBS which he was.
     
  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Well, first of all you did say they didn't fight
    see.
    So I was right in saying you changed your argument.
    Both Charles and Moore faced Burley whilst classing as a light heavyweight, therefore that's a win in that division. But Moore didn't get that win, he was dominated.

    Bivins never fought for the real LHW title, and beat less impressive names there, just because he had more fights doesn't mean he's better at that weight

    Heaven forbid I bring up the light heavyweight division, in a conversation about the best Light heavyweights. Walker was not a career LHW, so how's he in your list and Charles isn't,
    You say Walker and Loughran were equals, but your number 1 and Charles weren't

    Sorry Son
     
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  5. mcvey

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    Wait a minute!

    When I posted the Ring's end of year ratings from 1994 to 2002 they showed that in 2001 Balbi was ranked number 4, whereas Grigorian was number 7.
    You said this was ludicrous because Grigorian had already beaten Balbi.
    here is your quote.
    "To have Balbi over Grigorian is ludicrious too, as he had already defeated him before."


    When I pointed out that he beat Balbi in February of 1997 and that this was 4 years earlier ,since when Balbi had won a world title you didn't reply!
    Now you are saying because Moore and Burley fought before Moore was a world champion the result doesn't matter! You can't have it both ways! What you have done here is disappear up your own rectum!

    If only you would remain there!
     
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  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    1996
    Title Vacant
    1. Orzubek Nazarov
    2. Philip Holiday
    3. Stevie Johnston
    4. George Scott
    5. Jean-Baptiste Mendy
    6. Shane Mosley
    7. Leavander Johnson
    8. Ivan Robinson
    9. John John Molina
    10. Artur Grigorian
    1997
    Title Vacant
    1. Orzubek Nazarov
    2. Shane Mosley
    3. Stevie Johnston
    4. Philip Holiday
    5. George Scott
    6. Azumah Nelson
    7. Israel Cardona
    8. Jean-Baptiste Mendy
    9. Artur Grigorian
    10. Cesar Bazan

    1998
    Title Vacant
    1. Shane Mosley
    2. Jean-Baptiste Mendy
    3. Cesar Bazan
    4. Stevie Johnston
    5. Israel Cardona
    6. Orzubek Nazarov
    7. Ivan Robinson
    8. Philip Holiday
    9. Arturo Gatti
    10. Jesse James Leija

    1999
    Title Vacant
    1. Stevie Johnston
    2. Angel Manfredy
    3. Paul Spadafora
    4. Cesar Bazan
    5. Ivan Robinson
    6. Gilberto Serrano
    7. Colin Dunne
    8. Artur Grigorian
    9. Israel Cardona
    10. Stefano Zoff

    2000
    Title Vacant
    1. Jose Luis Castillo
    2. Stevie Johnston
    3. Paul Spadafora
    4. Takanori Hatakeyama
    5. Cesar Bazan
    6. Angel Manfredy
    7. Artur Grigorian
    8. Colin Dunne
    9. Jesse James Leija
    10. Gilberto Serrano

    Grigorian's last 4 fights.

    2009-02-24 Kirkor Kirkorov
    Universum Gym, Wandsbek
    W
    PTS
    6/6
    2004-09-11 Vasile Herteg
    Kisstadion, Budapest
    W
    TKO
    4/8
    2004-01-03 Acelino Freitas
    Foxwoods Resort, Mashantucket
    L
    UD
    12/12
    World Boxing Organisation World Lightweight Title
    2003-01-18 Matt Zegan
    Grugahalle, Essen
    W
    MD
    12/12
    That's you not only," holed below the water line",but actually," blown clean out of the water "!lol
     
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  7. mcvey

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    I never said when Balbi beat Lorcy but it was the 8th of October 2001. You're neither a banana or an apple more like a cabbage!lol
     
  8. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    1 Duran
    2 Leonard
    3 Gans
    4 William's
    5 McFarland
    6 Ortiz
    7 Canzineri
    8 Whitaker
    9 Amber's
    10 Buchanan
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Are you a ******?
     
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  10. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Most Likely? That's not evidence so I'll disregard that if you don't mind. And I changed the subject from Moore to Burley because you said Charles had a better résumé at Heavyweight I told you two of his better wins at LHW and made a comparison between my top LHW and yours, that's not changing the subject.

    this is funny, regardless of fighting for the title he didn't win it. Charles beat the champion just not for the title. Are you ok, why would Charles not try and become a champion below Heavyweight, how can use the Grigorian argument, claiming he was one of teh best lightweights because he was ducked and feared, yet the opposite to Charles. Son just stop. Admit Charles is a top 40 LHW and it's over, I hate to challenge my own brethren intellectually but it's how we grow
     
  11. mcvey

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    All those nine were world class, four of them all time greats who are in the HOF! How many of Grigorian's opponents are in the HOF?lol
     
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  12. mcvey

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    Manfredy was ranked at LIGHTWEIGHT
    2000 no6 Grigorian was no 7
    2001 no5 Grigorian was no7
    2002 no6 Grigorian was no 7.
    If Manfredy wasn't world class ,Grigorian wasnt either since he was never ranked above him !
    I don't know if you have noticed this but ;
    NOBODY EVER AGREES WITH YOU.
    I should have thought this might have taught you something,but obviously your are too stupid to see it!
     
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  13. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I don't care anymore more.
     
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  14. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Your opinion of the reliability of the rankings is not fact.
     
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  15. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Boxrec is computerised and is biased to Americans and Mexican's