Tua Versus Marciano

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Hydraulix, Jun 15, 2009.

  1. Sister Sledge

    Sister Sledge Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2004
    Messages:
    18,129
    Likes Received:
    34
    I just don't see Marciano surviving going toe-to-toe with Tua. Marciano just wasn't big enough to survive. Tua isn't an all-time great, but a prime Tua would be tough for anyone to beat, and the Rocks style would make him too accessible to getting hit by flush shots by the Tuaman. If Rocky was put down and hurt by Walcott and Moore, just think of what would happen to him getting hit by Tua.
     
  2. Doc Dynamo

    Doc Dynamo Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2010
    Messages:
    232
    Likes Received:
    2
    I love it. Tua beats Marciano because he's fatter. What's next Butterbean beats Joe Louis?

    Tua's an ATG because he almost beat Ike I. Ike's an ATG because he beat Tua. I've seen circular logic before, but never a circle quite this small.
     
  3. hobgoblin

    hobgoblin Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2004
    Messages:
    810
    Likes Received:
    26
    i'm going with the more proven fighter...
     
  4. Caponecartels

    Caponecartels Maritime Lawyer Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2008
    Messages:
    1,903
    Likes Received:
    5
    If only time machines existed.
     
  5. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2004
    Messages:
    42,723
    Likes Received:
    279
    Why do people say this, Marciano clearly hasnt got a particularly low bodyfat percentage
     
  6. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2006
    Messages:
    9,543
    Likes Received:
    4
    True.

    Marciono was fatter than Briggs who is considered "obese", so go figure.
     
  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2006
    Messages:
    71,997
    Likes Received:
    28,008
    Not everybody can get a figure like Ken Norton because of a genetic component, but that dosnt mean that he is better conditioned than them.

    I am an ultra runner and I dont have an unusualy low bodyfat percentage but I would consider myself better conditioned than your average male model.

    The bottom line is that you would be hard put to find a better conditioned heavyweight than Marciano this side of the 20 round limit.
     
  8. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2004
    Messages:
    42,723
    Likes Received:
    279
    There is a difference between 'conditioned' and 'not an ounce of him' and its not genetics its just his bodyfat percentage isn't that low

    Fighting 20rounds plus doesn't mean you have better stamina either. Its like saying an average runner who runs marathons has got better stamina than Keninise Bekele because Bekele only does 10k

    I'm also not convinced Marciano is the best conditioned HW with the likes of Holyfield, Ali, Frazier, Vitali

    Whats the furthest you've ran Janitor?
     
  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2006
    Messages:
    71,997
    Likes Received:
    28,008
     
  10. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2004
    Messages:
    42,723
    Likes Received:
    279
     
  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2006
    Messages:
    71,997
    Likes Received:
    28,008
     
  12. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2007
    Messages:
    20,862
    Likes Received:
    139
    Tua puts him out like he did Michael Moorer. Styles make fights and this is a bad one for Marciano.
     
  13. nahkis

    nahkis Robbed Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2009
    Messages:
    0
    Likes Received:
    1
    :yep No ****. This thread and the "Tua versus Frazier" thread = :rofl
     
  14. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2007
    Messages:
    20,862
    Likes Received:
    139
    How would they beat Tua??? Tua never struggled with a fighter who came at him. In fact I cant think of any that made it past two rounds. ATG or not, styles make fights, Tua punches harder than any of them, and has a great chin. No way they outpunch and outhustle him either.
     
  15. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2009
    Messages:
    24,478
    Likes Received:
    129

    Tua did struggle against Ike, who came at him in the early rounds. Tua couldn't get his own punches off when Ike was bombing on the inside, having to wait until his opponent was done throwing before starting his own offense. Tua never faced or beat a slugger ranked in the top 10 either, Marciano beat the number one contender and Jack Dempsey heir apparent on his way to the title.

    One of Marciano's best performances and easiest nights at the elite level was against Rex Layne, a bigger, stronger, swarmer who was in his face and crowding him the entire time. No having to chase down a counter punching cutie, Rocky showed surprising hand speed, strong defense, and capable combination punching in close quarters. Layne's plan to overwhelm him with his superior size and power was a disaster.

    Layne actually had better credentials than Tua with wins over Turkey Thompson, Henry Hall, Satterfield, and Walcott. His performance against Satterfield is one of the better displays of durability and late one punch power at the elite level. He was the favorite over Marciano because he was expected to beat the smaller brawler and instead he got stopped cold for the first and only time in his career.