Was Tyson Mentally Weak?

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  1. Nigel_Benn

    Nigel_Benn Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In the ring and outside?
     
  2. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Being physically very short had more impact on him than being mentally weak in the ring. Having physically less stamina post-prison had more impact on him than being mentally weak in the ring
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I consider him mentally frail, yes.

    Outside the ring, unquestionably.
     
  4. mr. magoo

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    His emotions led to his dawnfall, but to be fair his life circumstances didn't help.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Life circumstances aren't an excuse i'm interested in for Mike. He had his chance at the good life, he had many chances.

    NICE avatar.
     
  6. mr. magoo

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    Dito with the avatar. Certainly better than the evil clowns.

    Anyway, growing up getting bullied on in the streets of Brownsville NY, losing both your mother and father as a child, dropping out of highschool at 14 years of age, then all of a sudden having an overload of wealth and success shoved down your throat at an age typically still considered to be a child by modern day standards. Then losing the closest guardians that one has to family via firing or death, then an ugly divorce followed by the death of a sibling.

    Sounds like a lot for a 21 year old kid with no guidance, education or family......
     
  7. TommyV

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    I would strongly disagree. It's arguable that his height wasn't really a great hinderance. His mental state clearly was.
     
  8. Chinxkid

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    The short answer? Obviously.

    Mike strikes me as the boy who never grew up, sensitive and vulnerable, nothing wrong with it in most businesses. In some circles it's a gift to be that childlike. But he could break in the ring, and was naive and gullible and could be easily taken advantage of in the world. As tough as he is, as volatile as he is, as dangerous as he is, there is something to me anyway, moving, heartbreaking about the guy...

    Though that said, the only way I'd want to have a substantive conversation with him was if I had a shotgun in my lap.
     
  9. mr. magoo

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    His loss to Douglas had more to do with the lack of motivation to fight to his fullest capacity along with the diminishing of skills that came from the discovery that he could knock a guy out with one punch. Incompetant managment had a role to play in both..

    The Holyfield loss, was a result of two fighters who were both out of prime along with the fact that I firmly believe the other guy had his number stylistically.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I understand, but you miss out the part where Tyson is plucked from the streets because of his exceptional talent, taken to a home where he was relatively nurtured in relative safety by people to whom cared for him. That's his chance to turn his hard life around right there.

    Think of all the kids in Brownsville who suffer as badly, worse even, and are denied that shot. I'd wager not all of them grow up to have **** convictions. The difference, IMO, is mental strength to carry such heavy burdens.
     
  11. Chinxkid

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    Yeah, and I guess it's true that anybody who gets a tatoo that takes up one full side of his face has a spring loose. I think I would argue that the dye was already cast by the time Cus plucked him off the streets of his Brownsville neighborhood. Psychologists, and I ain't one, would claim that we are all of us molded by the time we hit six years old. Alotta guys who grow up in those kind of neighborhoods if they don't have the wherewithal to see beyond, are stunted socially. You ever spent any time a place like that? Some of those neighborhoods, especially the projects, are world all their own. Some of those people are as socially disadvantaged as if they would have grown up out in the middle of nowhere.
     
  12. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    thats a good point you brought up. once tyson became a one-punch ko artist instead of being a combination puncher, he became very beatable. it happens to alot of punchers. they rely on their power more then their skill and become one-dimensional
     
  13. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    No, not weak.

    I'm not trying to insult Tyson, but I honestly believe he was mentally ill and never got treatment, perhaps that is still the case.
     
  14. GPater11093

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    i think he was mentally unstable

    but lok at it he had a hard up brining and had no father figure at all after cus died so his biggest influence was DK who IMO robbed him blind

    tyson wasnt careful with money and ruined himself finaceiully.

    but what ruined him was fame, everyone knowing him and wanting to speak to him and saying hes great it cant be good for a 22 year old or however old he was.
     
  15. mr. magoo

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    Agreed.

    Fame, fortune and success do not remedy some of the problems Tyson had. In fact, if a person is unprepared to receive these things in large doeses as Tyson did, they can often make things substantially worse.