What should Usyk do

No rematch, winner will go for undisputed, loser will get in the line.

 

I highly doubt Hearn is offering 60-40.

If it was 60-40 with a rematch clause, then yeah, take that.

That would be a guaranteed 40, and if you win you get another 40. Totally 80. So you are getting 40 at a minimum.

If you take 80-20 with no rematch clause.
You are only guaranteed the 20. And it's probably optimistic to think you get 80 on the return.

So you should jump at a 60-40 with a rematch clause.

But as I say I doubt Hearn would be that generous. So take the 80-20 then if you win, you have options.

 

Eddie is offering 80-20 and rematch clause at 75-25.

No wonder Usyk don't want it. Eddie and his slave contacts.

 

No chance he's offering 60-40, Parker didn't even get that and he was a title holder not just some mandatory.

The idea he gets the fight without a rematch clause too is kind of ludicrous. Boxing is a business and Hearn's job is to ensure Joshua's best interests are looked after. Can you imagine if Joshua had fought Ruiz Jr without a rematch clause? Ruiz Jr would probably still be champion having made a defence against Arreola and Pulev and then looking to unify with the winner of Fury/Wilder 3. That's of course if he had beaten Pulev, can you imagine Fury/Pulev for the undisputed title, hardly a fight that interests the casuals and brings attention to the sport.

Joshua in the mean time, even without the titles would probably still be by far the biggest draw in the division and be frozen out much like Lewis was after he lost his titles to McCall without a rematch clause.

Usyk as the mandatory can only expect 25% which lets be clear 25% of a Joshua fight dwarfs any other purse he could get against any other opponent. Maybe he can squeeze a bit more out of Hearn to ensure it doesn't go to purse bids. But it's basically a game of chicken, Hearn doesn't want purse bids because there's a small chance another bidder out bids him, it's unlikely as he has the deepest pockets in the game, but it could happen. But Usyk doesn't want purse bids either because whoever wins the purse bid he still only gets 25% at best and there's the risk that if Hearn loses a purse bid that either that bid collapses as sometimes is the case when a big bid comes out of nowhere delaying a the fight or worse Joshua does drop the belt and there goes his big title fight and the big payday that goes with it and he ends up fighting Joyce who might not even give him a payday to match what he earned vs Chisora.

So I say anything above 25% with a rematch clause is a good deal for the first fight. Another issue will be how much he gets for a ramatch if he beats Joshua. He should be expecting at least 40% and pushing for 50% in a rematch.

 

No rematch clause. Screw that BS.

 

If it's more money at all and to avoid the risk of Joshua vacating the belt... take the rematch clause.

People saying Joshua demanding the rematch clause is a sign of weakness. That may be true. But then wouldn't so too be Usyk for refusing more money with a rematch clause?

 

I think that not these boxers but eddie is guy who demands clauses. eddie is famous with his clauses even for non title holders.
He might change surname to clause.

Well, there position is a bit different regards to their career.
Usyk is boxing promoter, according boxrec they already had one event with 13? fights on one card BEFORE his fight vs Chisora.

To make good career as promoter and get trust from clients one should show that he does have balls.
Difference between boxer and promoter is that as promoter you might earn with boxing when you are 60, 80 y.o, with fighting in the ring ofc no.

I don't know, if he values his potential career as promoter, he should show steel balls vs Eddie even if he will not get this fight or any next fight.

If he values only to get more money today, then this is different approach to this deal with eddie.

Will see.

 

I wanna see a purse bid!

 

I just hope they fight. I'd love to see it.

 

This is an interesting take on it that I hadn't thought of before you posted it elsewhere.

But if AJ vacates, doesn't that show he can't make the biggest fights? In that sense a rematch isn't such a bad thing because that's just another payday bigger than most promoters have ever gotten.

 

This is from fans perspective.
Fighters usually dream to become champions and not to be in placed away corner.
If about payday, we can't compare some 1-2 fights pay check with income one might make during 20-30, maybe even 40 years.
Some legacy he already does have even with ammy career and semi pro career, also with pro career at CW.
How is comparable reputation in general population alone if we compare Olympic Gold medal or even Bronze medals with pro boxing orgs belts?
A. Today there is high number of pro boxing orgs and from them 4 are more well known. Sadly each from these orgs does have multiple belts and while it is easy for casual to get what here means Euro, British, Commonwealth, Eurasian titles for these belts there are bunch with names: international, inter - continental, internim, silver , diamond, regular, super, in recess__________

It is very difficult for average causal to get till this one and no one who is not hardcore boxing fan with passion will dig there in depth about this hierarchy and damn, each org does have bunch with such belts.

B. If compare with this, everyone from high school kids till senior age citizens knows what is stuff called Olympic Gold medal.

If about work with boxers and other kind of fighters.
Young lads in amateur sport does knows that easier to get good pro career in U.K, Western, Eastern europe and Asia is if you had some medals in am career. This works well also in US for US boxers, for example if US boxer had medals : Golden Gloves, Pan American Games, not alone World Championship, World Cup or Olympic Games.
In europe Euro medals are like Pan American Games for US boxers.
US boxers does have to compete with these from Cuba, Canada, Mexico, euro boxers: with boxers from U.K, Ireland, Russia, Ukraine etc.


This is reason why someone with high level amateur accomplishments does have respect from these lads even if he never was a pro.

Pro career?
Easier looks that today is to understand that someone is good if he was Undisputed, had some The Ring belt, maybe now modern thing is division trophy like Ali trophy.
Usyk does have this legacy at CW and HW is division worshiped by fans, athletes think otherwise about this thing.

What we here do have?
Reputation and legacy Usyk already does have.

Enough to have attention and respect.


There, yeah, A.J fans and in overall HW division fanatics will post: but it is heavyweight, A.J is well known, big sales.
A.J today does have 3 belts not all 4 most well known belts so he isn't Undisputed today. Looks that he doesn't have also The Ring belt today.

Usyk had this all: The Ring and 4 most well known pro boxing orgs belts at CW.


How high are chances that Usyk might during maybe 2-3-4 years to become Undisputed at HW?
I think Usyk is far more smart and more realistic than we here think about him.
Not only about fighting but also about his potential earnings during all his life while fans here are thinking like Usyk is with empty pockets, is able to earn only with fighting in the ring or is some dreamer.

 

A.J is just boxer with belts who had been stopped by short notice replacement panda. Not a boxing ATG icon.

Most likely because if Usyk will KO him, he will not have belts and if there no clause, then.
Eddie already does have experience with panda for A.J.

Also do not post naive posts, like these fans who posted their opinions how Bellew will expose hype job Usyk and beat him up, how easily A.J will stop replacement, huge underdog in panda.
History might repeat.

About cards, ofc A.J most likely will win if this will go till hometown cards.

 

Why doesn’t Eddie just go get the Saudis to pony up $100-150M? Enough money then to make everyone happy with all the clauses.

 

He might promote for 30 years and be lucky to find 1-2 fighters who can do what he's done.

Whether it's wise for him or not, I'm wondering how it will look to potential clients if he ends up passing on $X to fight AJ for three belts and fights Joyce or something for 50% or less of $X and one belt.