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  1. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    That is surely one important criteria . In case usyk you must like said count on top of this his only 5 total fights . But there is of course room for discussion if its indeed usyk or anybody else as long as we base it on facts and boxing records and not fanbase assumptions and wishes .
     
  2. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I hope you can abide by the last part of your statement.

    You have stated Usyk to be the weakest heavyweight champion in history.

    Usyk’s heavyweight title career includes two wins over AJ and a win over Dubois.

    Martin’s includes a win over Glazkov who suffered a career ending injury in the third round, followed by a third round loss to AJ.

    Stiverne’s reign consists a win over Arreola followed by a loss to Wilder.

    This is before even bringing in guys like John Ruiz, Andy Ruiz, Bruce Seldon, Primo Carnera and others.

    Please explain using facts (not as you say ‘emotions’) and clear logic how Usyk is a weaker champion than these guys?
     
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  3. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    It's another NEET alt. Pay no attention.
     
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    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Must be, his main alt has disappeared.
     
  5. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Andrei Chikatilo is someone who was notorious for not being able to stay upright until the end of the fight.
     
  6. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fury's resume is absolute garbage.
     
  7. Niels Probst

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    Rocky Marciano. Above mentioned Martin and Stiverne would have blown that midget out of the ring.
     
  8. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    It was not a callout but a pathetic and weak try of a personal insult from you .

    That prooves you,re just a fanboy kicking around and nothing more until you proove the opposite .

    I never personally insulted you so worth to argue until you show that you can stay on the subject
     
  9. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jeezo you are deluded, Bubbles clearly showed based on unequivocal logic why Charles Martin would be worse than Usyk - regardless of the fact to consider that Usyk being Undisputed Cruiser moving up gives him extenuating circumstances in terms of getting a shot.

    Not only did he beat Joshua (who many before the 1st fight were saying that he would be steamrollered, too small, puny cruiser etc), but he also rinsed him in the rematch as well.

    If one - not unreasonably - posits that Joshua/Fury & Wilder were the top 3 heavyweights, Usyk has 2x TOP 3 in only 5 fights, with a respectable gatekeepr in Chisora before getting the shot.

    I can't see how anyone could suggest that Usyk is worst heavyweight champ in history - hence the trolling comments.
     
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  10. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    Siarhei Liakhovich was not mentioned...
     
  11. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you speak in those terms the you must think that Roy Jones Jr is the worst heavyweight champ ever, as he only had the one single fight there against Huggy Ruiz.

    Bot no on in there right mind is going to try and devalue Jones amazing achievement (regardless of how much of a calculated grab it was) by suggesting he is the worst HW champ ever, yet that is the logic you seem to be pushing out there.

    Usyk has 5 HW fights and 5 wins, yet only won against a top 10 name (but was top 3 in reality).

    I raise you Roy Jones Jr - one fight at heavyweight, one win, never defended the belt. I can't even recall if Ruiz was considered top 10 at the time.

    Martin is still worse by a long chalk!
     
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  12. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ha! I missed you already pointed this out - a salient point!
     
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  13. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You seem confused with having a shalllow resume at HW with being the worst HW Champ ever. Having a shallow resume at HW is because Usyk MOVED UP. He's not a career HW. But you think that makes him the weakest EVER HW?? :lol: ridiculous....
     
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  14. fencik45

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    Whte and Wallin are nobodies, Wilder is a con job, Wlad was four months from forty, going through having a kid and breaking up with his wacko.. Fury has zero notably accomplishments except for ducks. ps, notice Fury never wanted anything to do with Whyte until after a 41 year old Povetkin knocked him unconscious.
     
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  15. mrbigshot

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    You bring a point .

    Rjj is sure a legend as an overall boxer and one of the few ( or the only one ? ) who won belts over i believe 4 weight classes but looking ONLY AT HEAVYWEIGHT his resume is indeed just one fight and win . i think he returned to lower weight classes because he realized hw was a bridge too far for his natural size and bodymass .

    Its similar with usyk : nobody questions his superb achievements in cruiserweight , he was one of the best ever there . But in hw he really has a very slim legacy .

    You get that the question here is about the weakest champion in HEAVYWEIGHT and not about the weakest overall boxing career ???