why cant malignaggi punch?

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  1. roversbowers

    roversbowers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    he does have balls and a reasonable amount of speed. but there is never any zap in any of his punches. if u cant hurt an opponent that makes a task about 100 times harder because they can unload more on you because there is no risk of getting knocked out.

    he must hit heavy bags and coached everyday and there are bantamweights and flyweights that punch harder than him.
    ive never known a fighter on a world level that has **** poor punches like him.

    khan wouldnt have been able to throw as many punches as that is ortiz or maidana was in the other corner because his chin was left open a few times last night and a puncher would really test khan.

    any thoughts anyone
     
  2. VecArrow

    VecArrow Custom User Title Full Member

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    he just throws his arm at opponents, doesn't put any weight/momentum behind them.
     
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    AffectedToaster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    hasn't he broken his hand like 9 times
     
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    madkillaz692000 Fuerte y Abundante Full Member

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    If you are not a power puncher from the start then you will not be a power puncher.
    All you could do is create angles that would make the most of your punches(even with malignaggi's). Paulie had the speed to do that but not the coach to develop what he has.
     
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    curly Fastest hands in the West Full Member

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    Cos he's a nancy boy
     
  6. roversbowers

    roversbowers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    so dis calzaghe but he has good ko % and has sting in his punches
     
  7. rushman

    rushman Devoid is Devoid Full Member

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    Some people like to apply physics to discussions of punching power. They will often talk about speed. You would think that anyone with speed would be automatically a powerful puncher.
    (For those of you who are physics minded, you can read that as acceleration if you prefer)

    But speed needs mass to be effective.

    If you flick out your hands you will have speed but no mass. If you have proper technique then you will be able to put more mass into the punch, by using your whole body mass in the punch. You sit down on the punch, which makes your whole body connected - if you do this right, then you can also punch quickly - the two are not mutually exclusive.

    Put simply - Paulie has speed but he does not put the mass of his body into his punches.

    The next thing is where are you punching? You can learn pretty quickly with a good instructor (and I mean in under an hour of practice) how much difference it makes on where you punch.
    If you punch someone's face, and you are thinking of their face and aiming at their face, then you may sting them.
    If you punch somebodies face, and you are thinking through their skull and aiming through thier skull, then you may devastate them.

    Paulie doesn't do this either.
     
  8. roversbowers

    roversbowers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    interesting points mate. i was always taught that a punch is a transfer of body weight into a fist, if executed efficiently. do u think malignaggi could even learn how to punch under the right trainer. because his boxing skills are not too bad
     
  9. boxingscience

    boxingscience Boxing Addict Full Member

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    some people just can't punch as hard as others, that's why they say punchers are born. even if malignaggi put everything into a punch, he still most likely wouldn't punch hard, while you got guys who technically punch all wrong, and still knock people out. that's just the way it is.
     
  10. Slider75

    Slider75 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    AffectedToaster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i not saying thats the only reason but it can't help,
     
  12. rushman

    rushman Devoid is Devoid Full Member

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    What you were taught is exactly correct, but only half of the story. The other half is how it is delivered.

    As to whether Paulie can learn? That's a tough one. If he was caught early in his career then it would be worth a shot.
    Right now he has a bunch of muscle memory to overcome, that doesn't get easier the older you get. He could end up becoming totally ineffective by playing with fundamentals of his style right now. It's right back to the drawing board.
     
  13. TheUnstoppable

    TheUnstoppable Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Accelleration isn't the key, it's kinetic energy.

    KE = 1/2 x mass x velocity squared.

    If you increase the speed, the Kinetic Energy increases by a factor of the new velocity; if we set the mass as an arbitrary "1" and use a velocity of "2" (m/s), then the KE is 2J. But if you DOUBLE the speed, you get a KE of 8J, which has increased by a factor of 4.
     
  14. boxingscience

    boxingscience Boxing Addict Full Member

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    it doesn't matter. even if malignaggi punched 100% correct, it would only increase the power slightly by tecnhique. why do you think all the top trainers say punchers are born, not made? it's for a reason. not everybody can punch hard.
     
  15. rushman

    rushman Devoid is Devoid Full Member

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    If his technique was 100% correct then he would punch much harder.

    But it is rare to find anyone who can get their technique that good. Maybe that is the "born puncher" aspect.