Wilder/Ortiz

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  1. Citizen Smith

    Citizen Smith Active Member Full Member

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    It wasn't due to the cut. Prior to the fight Bob was saying publicly that Tyson wasn't fighting over here in December.
     
  2. Citizen Smith

    Citizen Smith Active Member Full Member

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    I don't know whether he is improved or was always there.
     
  3. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Damaged goods due to Wilder
     
  4. Citizen Smith

    Citizen Smith Active Member Full Member

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    That was the point of the post.
     
  5. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Ah sorry
    Wasn't quite clear
     
  6. channy

    channy 4.7.33 banned Full Member

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    Don't rule it out just yet!!
     
  7. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    LSC fight aside it's a pretty good card. Think Wilder rinses him a fair bit earlier but it'll likely be fun along the way
     
  8. Smudge_

    Smudge_ Teak tough Full Member

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    Agree with most of the posts here saying Wilder finishes him earlier this time. I don't think Ortiz can better his performance from the first fight. I think Wilder will stop him within 6 rounds.
     
  9. themaster999

    themaster999 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm looking forward to seeing Wilders super punch that he has developed
     
  10. Holler

    Holler What a cocky saucy ****** this one is Full Member

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    It's probably not a popular opinion but what the hell...

    I think Ortiz is a straw man, an artificially inflated fighter who looks on the surface like a credible contender, but when you start looking into his record it starts to fall apart.

    He's not really fought anyone, he came out of the Cuban scene but he was never their preeminent hw. I think he was aggressively marketed as this bogeyman of the division and for those who were subject to the marketing that's what he became.

    In reality he's long past prime, was never as good as made out and has simply been used as a chess piece on Haymon and sulaimans attempt to construct a Tyson for the 21st century.

    Tldr, a lot of us fight fans have been played but will never admit it.
     
  11. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No sure i agree. Ortiz is a very good fighter at least he was anyway. His style is useless against guys that can move with a reach advantage tho. Thats why wilder picked him. Their first decent oponnent but one that struggles to fight against what wilder has.

    If you lead on ortiz...you,ll pay for it tho. He took jennings out by letting jennings lead. Pretty sure jennings landed more than ortiz in that fight and yet jennings took a beating. They encourage you to lead....and pick you off as you do. Wilder and his team we,re smart enough...not to lead. I still say he can cause wilder problems tho. If he believes what half the forums saying....that he,ll get it done early easily....he could end up getting himself in trouble. Ortiz too skilled to be treated like breazeale or stiverne imo anyway.
     
  12. Citizen Smith

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    (Holler) Possibly, but there's a huge amount of amateur fights behind him too. Had he not put Wilder in some trouble in that round and had the doc not given Wilder an extended rest, then we could say he wasn't that good. He was well below that performance in his last fight though and time has ticked on, so it should be another Stiverne job. Saw a pic of him recently and while the muscles are evident, so is an old man's body.
     
  13. Twentyman

    Twentyman You dog nonce! banned Full Member

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    Let’s also remember how uncomfortable Wilder is with southpaws. He almost had Wilder out of there, and on another night that fight would have been stopped. I enjoy watching Wilder but this is a very dangerous fight for him to take. I think Wilder could get starched here if he’s not careful.
     
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  14. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's hard to know Ortiz's level because as you rightly said, his resume is pretty awful. However, we know he's decent and gave Wilder a good knock before.

    At worst Wilder brutally KO's him which is always entertaining. At best we have ourselves a fight.
     
  15. Bridie mcmahon

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    The best win on his resume speaks volumes about him imo.good fighter but certainly no boogeyman.