Willie Pep

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by JunitoJab, May 5, 2011.

  1. JunitoJab

    JunitoJab Antagonist Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2009
    Messages:
    5,222
    Likes Received:
    2
    Was just reading through 100 Greatest Pound For Pound Boxers Of All Time.

    It says Willie Pep is famous for winning a round without throwing a single punch.

    Can you guys please tell me more about that. It's sounds fascinating.
     
  2. Trixie

    Trixie Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2009
    Messages:
    1,356
    Likes Received:
    0
    As far as I know this is a myth. But I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than I can fill you in.
     
  3. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2009
    Messages:
    58,634
    Likes Received:
    13,813
    JJ, we've mentioned this on here several times before. I think it was debunked but, there's an interview where Pep himself swears it happened later in life. Bert Sugar has been known to take the most fun myths and tell them as fact and he likes this story, as Pep is a favorite of his. Maybe it's an "almost true" kind of thing. :conf
     
  4. JunitoJab

    JunitoJab Antagonist Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2009
    Messages:
    5,222
    Likes Received:
    2
    Damn.. Would love it if it was true.. Thanx for your answer..
     
  5. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2007
    Messages:
    28,518
    Likes Received:
    86
    Apparently is was vs Jackie Greaves (or something similar)... 2 of the 3 judges gave Pep the round.
     
  6. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2005
    Messages:
    58,747
    Likes Received:
    21,593
    I think some ringside reporters say they saw it, he didn't throw a punch, and they checked the scores and he'd won the round.

    But some postors on here probably know better, have the film footage or something.
     
  7. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2010
    Messages:
    10,744
    Likes Received:
    81
    Myth. There's a round by round from the fight and apparently the supposed round in which it occured was actually a bit of a tear-up.
     
  8. goat15

    goat15 Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2010
    Messages:
    926
    Likes Received:
    0
    i heard that the myth was born out of pep's pre-fight remark that he'd aim "not to throw a punch in anger" or something of that ilk.
     
  9. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2006
    Messages:
    4,685
    Likes Received:
    178
  10. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2007
    Messages:
    28,075
    Likes Received:
    57
    yeah it's a myth from what I know
     
  11. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2010
    Messages:
    18,285
    Likes Received:
    411
    H,a great article you discovered about the Willie Pep and Jackie Graves fight.
    As I have posted, I saw the immortal Pep once in his very prime,before his near fatal plane accident, and Pep was everything that Jackie Graves implied.
    Jackie Graves was a hell of a featherweight also,alongst Chalky Wright,Phil Terranova, Harry Jeffra,Charley Riley,and Sal Bartola from New England.
    The article also mentioned the name of Tony Janiro,who was so good a prospect,that after winning the GG title at age 16,they were calling Janiro the next Tony Canzoneri. So good was he,before wine, women and song ruined Tony Janiro, that at one of Janiro's prelim fight at MSG, VP Harry Truman shook his hand. Thanks Henry for the article, it brought back great memories for me.:good
     
  12. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2005
    Messages:
    3,402
    Likes Received:
    1,281
    In Peter Heller's interview with Pep in the book 'In This Corner', he admitted to having 'thrown a few punches', but generally moved about without throwing.

    The brunt of contemporary opinion is that Pep wasn't quite as zippy as he had been after the crash, but in the Saddler rematch of 49' it was the opinion of many that he briefly recaptured his prime years.
     
  13. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2004
    Messages:
    42,723
    Likes Received:
    279
    That's nothing Johnny Nelson won a draw with Gillermo Jones while not throwing a punch for the first 9 rounds. He probably didn't deserve the draw but in fairness to Johnny he had just woken up from a nap in the dressing room
     
  14. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2009
    Messages:
    14,241
    Likes Received:
    158
    Graves gave Pep a hell of a fight and there were certainly no rounds in which either fighter didn't throw a single punch. Bert Sugar later went back on his claim and said it's more probable that Pep won a round without landing a punch. I believe that's what Pep (or his manager) originally implied as well, that he was good enough to win a round without landing a real solid punch.
     
  15. Hannibal Barca

    Hannibal Barca Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2010
    Messages:
    935
    Likes Received:
    699
    I spoke with Pep circa 1996 about that round and he spoke proudly of the feat. It seems he believed it anyway.