Wlad is a...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Rumsfeld, Jul 12, 2008.


  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Uhmmm, I have. I'm not lying.

    I've written plenty of pieces that were favorable to Wlad.
     
  2. safe_pa

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    Wlad is a grown man who fights like a frightend child.
    I'd like to sign up to the Wlad hater squad as I'm sick of this jab close gap and hug bull****.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    But Rummie, that's the game.

    You got a fighter - not techncially particularly great, lacking in some of the absolutle fundamentals for winning in boxing - aggression and punch resistance - blessed with athletic ability but cursed with a dirth of stamina and endurance, the most manly of athletic attributes - who has found a way to win inspite of these handicaps.

    Marrying power to great footwork and a sublime knowledge of self - first rate Generalship - Klitschko is rendering himself unbeatable. Of course people hate him!

    But his fights are unimissable. I want to see one of two things - this guy get knocked the **** out, or this guy become the offencive killing maching I know he can be. Either one will do.

    But i'll miss dinner with the in-laws and brave the wrath of the Mrs. to so it - or not, as was the case tonight.

    For reasons born of the fight game, the man has become unmissable.
     
  4. Barber-ian

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    Uhmmm, why don't you uhmmmm, give us a recap of some of those?
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Don't doubt it, not for a second. Another three-five years of victories - even shitty, unsatisfying ones - and people won't be able to leave him out of their top twenties.
     
  6. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Since the the Peter fight he brutally beat and knocked out Byrd for the Title. Brutally knocked out the undefeated Calvin Brock. Brutally knocked out Ray Austin with a Quad Hook combo! (In the second round, while never having to throw his right hand). Fought his revenge match against Brewster, and brutally beat him into submission. Dominated the Undefeated WBO Champion Ibragimov, although Iggy wasn't putting up enough offense of his own to allow Wlad the opportunity to knock him out. The blame lies on Iggy there... Wlad was easily winning the fight, and it was Iggy's job to give the fans some action, as Wlad would have literally had to lay on top of Sultan in order to make the fight exciting. Then... he goes on to take Thompson apart, and knock him out.... in the 11th round of a pretty high pressure fight where he took a good bit of punches too, from a tall, unorthodox southpaw.

    Seems pretty impressive to me. Maybe your standards are unreasonable?
     
  7. KobeIsGod

    KobeIsGod Who Necks?!? Full Member

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    u have a good point. he gets too reliant on his jab-right cross but he adjusted and began to throw to the body and use the uppercut a few times. he also began to throw the lead right which turned the fight imo. he showed a lot of progress in this area against Peter and Brewster so he has the capabilities. I think it has more to do with Sultan and Thompson being very awkard leftys throwing wlad off his game. Additionally, I thought the game plans against both were pretty bad. He looks better and more comfortable against conventional fighters although he is 4-1 against top southpaws.

    as far as Thompson's speed, it's hard to tell. most of his work seemed to come in the clinch while wlad held him. he would hammer wlad to the body which was pretty ineffective. He did land a few good left crosses. i'll have to look at the tape but nothing jumped out at me.

    I feel Peter is still the tougest fight. Power, chin, heart, aggression. Then Valuev due to his chin, stamina and size. After that, I just do not see anything competitive. Ruslan has skills but his health status makes me think he is done. An ACL injury is going to hamper his lateral movement. Not to mention his bacterial/viral conditions.

    I'll wait on Haye to actually fight some decent comp before considering him.
     
  8. Rumsfeld

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    Bull****, buddy.

    There are still plenty of exciting fighters out there. Look at Pacquiao? He won in dominant fashion recently, even moreso than Wlad did today. And yet, watching Wlad, I felt like I needed a nap, whereas watching Pacquiao, I watched on in absolute awe.

    That the man who reigns supreme amongst heavyweights is someone as dull as Wlad does very little for die-hard fans and even less for the casual fan. The only people he typically pleases are Wlad fans. Coincidence?

    Wlad isn't likely to suddenly transform into a killing machine. He's more or less become set in his new ways.

    And where you and I might never miss another Wlad fight, what do you think of casual fans? As I stated earlier today, one of my roommates fled for a bar because he could no longer stand the non-action throughout the bout.

    How many fighters are as dominant as Wlad can be and still remain so lackluster?
     
  9. McGrain

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    Plus, Peter is proven against him - for causing him trouble I mean.

    Bummer what's happened to Chagaev, and a pity too.

    Don't be surprised if Haye happens sooner rather than later. He's someone the powers that be can sell without trying and Wlad may be past his absolute physical peak. I expect to see them fight in 2009. Haye has the speed...I would favour Wlad, but it would be interesting to see how he would deal with someone this fast.

    I don't see Povetkin as the threat everybody else seems to, but i'll keep an open mind.
     
  10. Barber-ian

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    Mayweather?
     
  11. Sundance

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    Don't think Wlad is near his peak yet, and he looks the biggest 241lbs guy I've ever seen. I suspect he'll peak at 35 like Lennox Lewis.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Of course there are! But the reason it's anything other than "bull****" is exciting doesn't matter in terms of winning and losing. If Wlad is winning he must be respected. We have to wait and see. It's fair to analyse Wlad from a techncial point of view but bitching about the way he fights is the most meaningless thing a person can do if that style is bringing the man wins. And his home crowd cheered him enthusiasticaly tonight, let's not forget that. Wlad is a SUPERSTAR in that part of Europe (The bad part).


    Reticence is relative. Take Lewis. He was crucified over your way for being to defencive, and a lot of times your boys were right. Yet against Grant - someone who is vulnerable to being hit and very very dangerous to try and control, Lewis became Dempsey. I think Klitschko needs something like that.

    Casual fans lift my paint. **** 'em.

    What an exciting and improbably loaded question.

    I can't wait to find out.
     
  13. KobeIsGod

    KobeIsGod Who Necks?!? Full Member

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    yeah i dont want to really talk about Haye-Wlad. But im leaning towards the thinking Haye must land something very early otherwise it becomes a boxing match and he will struggle.

    Povetkin is in over-his-head against wlad. Even some of his advisors/trainers are of this mind but his promoter wants it really badly.

    Wlad really uses his size well and Thompson did the same negating the jab
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Very interesting, we shall see.
     
  15. McGrain

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    I agree.

    He's also a techncially excellent fighter with not a great deal of power who is slightly smaller, who probably has to score a stoppage to win.

    Not a good mix.