Ray Mitchell's 75-60 for Lionel Rose over Alan Rudkin in what was a good close fight. Roland Dakin's 149-137 for Alan Minter over Vito Antuofermo in a bout I feel Vito won. Adelaide Byrd's 118-110 for Canelo over GGG in their first fight, when most of the world felt GGG won. And one has to mention the atrocious scorecards of Harold Valan who was the sole official in Patterson-Ellis and Terrell-Wepner. 2 cards that are usually held up as the most controversial of all time.
I think I gave Wilder the second (EDIT: rewatching it, I remember it was the third I gave to Wilder, narrowly), but otherwise I had every round except the ones with the KDs for Fury. There were some pretty close rds so maybe two more rds could be given to Wilder if one is being generous. Can't say for sure before I rewatched, but even that would seem like a stretch from first viewing, and then adding another four points in Wilders's favor... Seems like a very big leap.
I was watching on British TV and at the end of the fight the main commentator said 'I can't see how Fury can have lost this' or words to that effect. Really?! I guess he didn't spot the massive knockdown in the final round or the knockdown in the 9th... or any close round that could have gone either way before that. That's a plainly irresponsible thing to say for someone who commentates on boxing for a living and must have a sense by now of how fights are judged. This sort of **** is why I turn the volume down on commentary! I didn't have that much of an issue with the draw, although I personally thought Fury was probably ahead (I didn't score it though). However, to see it as a lopsided win for Fury and impossible for him to lose as these commentators did, particulary when the clearest 2 rounds on the cards are guaranteed 10-8 to Wilder is just an idiotic thing to think.
Hi my man, I think we both had similar views beforehand and called it about right, for what it's worth I had it Fury by 2-3 not a landslide but I do think he won.
The fact that Rochin had the fight scored for Wilder even without the knockdowns makes it easily the worst card that I have ever seen. It’s almost like they are saying “look, I know this is gonna look insane, but the fans just take it anyway and argue amongst themselves so let’s keep mugging them off...no biggie”.
I agree with you on some elements - but the overall point being made is self defeating - it’s the appalling scorecards that are evidently affected by shady influences that mean we are all discussing and debating this stuff. It’s the corruption that robs the boxers of their dignity and their glory. Had the cards been legit last night we would all just be commending them on an amazing fight. Instead we are once again mired in the bull**** of boxing. Same after Canelo GGG I. Same after Kovalev Ward I. Anytime we have a marquee match that should bring new fans to the table we end up in the doldrums because of the corruption. It’s a shame because they have all been great matches too, that would’ve warranted rematches either way due to public interest. Another self defeating element.
I guess it depends on what you mean by legit. I actually find the Fury card more questionable. That card gives him 10-2 only losing the 2 KD rounds, when I find 2 a pretty clear Wilder round. I had Wilder up 3-2 after 5...but although both were wider than my 114-114 card, I don’t think either are horrible as the rounds were close with limited hits landing. I don’t factor punch stars a whole lot but from what they say about 10 punches per round were landing...hard to say one guy dominated with those numbers. To me the 113 British card seemed the most balance....not sure I agree that the Fury card was better than the wilder card.
I would have thought in the general scheme of things this scorecard would genuinely struggle to hit the top thousand, indeed if we went on hearsay it would struggle to be worse than 100,000+. That is not to say it is not bad, it is, but it shows how bad boxing has and can be sometimes.
It wasn't even the worst card of the weekend. Scarpa 116-112 Hughes by Predrag Aleksic was the worst card. Another BS card was 98-92 Stevenson by Jack Woodburn probably as bad as 115-111 Wilder.
One of them, for sure. There are obviously terrible scorecards all the time, but that's unfathomably bad in one of the highest profile fights in the sport this whole year. An embarrassment to boxing.
We've seen a few shockers in fights that didn't end up going the difference. How the judges had Canelo winning rounds against Khan prior to the KO shows you just how biased it can be.
I had Fury well ahead after the first 5 , respect your views but I'm struggling with that. Wilder got into the fight after that and there were the knock-downs but Fury well ahead at half way for me.
That’s ok! I think we are allowed to disagree, and I think you and I have a mutual respect for one another. I don’t think any of the 3 cards were outlandish IMO...by punch stats (which I normally don’t use) havev155 total punches equaling 12.9 a round or 7 for Fury and 6 for Wilder. This was not one guy pummeling the other. I think the first 5 could go either way...seeing 10-2 and 9-3 Fury makes me scratch my head. It’s a shame both guys left the ring feeling they had won...but they also won the others respect. I think this was a close fight and no robbery