Worst managed fighters

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  1. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Beau Jack my favorite action champion was pushed into 54 fights in his
    FIRST THREE YEARS by his brave manager,whose actions BURNED Beau Jack
    out, leading to a very short prime....
     
  2. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes,but decent management could have got him a few more.
     
  3. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    BHop,

    was very poorly managed when he was managed by


    BHop.
     
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  4. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oleg Maskaev deserves a shout. Starts career against a 21-0 Olympic bronze medalist in Alexander miroshinencko amazingly wins, gets iron chinned solid vet Oliver McCall in 7th pro fight after getting ko'd in one is back only 3 fights later against 24-0 iron chinned Tua gets ko'd again.
     
  5. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I remember this and I remember Boxing News supporting Duff's thought process on this. I recall reading the prefight build up a week prior to the fight and Boxing News praising Duff's knowledge of knowing right when a fighter is ready to be taken. I read this and thought, "Graham's coming off a hotly disputed split with Mike McCallum - I don't see it." So God only knows what Duff was seeing because, like you said, Rod was lucky to get out of the ring that night with his life.
     
  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought he did too, but I wonder how much better he would have done with a bit of seasoning first. I think he was really thrown in at the deep end of the pool.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He was matched with Lloyd Marshall whilst carrying a potentially serious injury and Marshall beat the absolute **** out of him and stopped him. He was down either seven, eight or nine times.

    Against Bivins, I believe he wasn't injured, but he was again battered to the canvas more than five times and again could have been seriously damaged. Putting him in these two matches in his greenery within two months of each other is disgraceful.

    It was hideous management, borderline criminal, and it could have seriously, seriously damaged his career.

    It's the same bravery that saw him matched with prime Charley Burley as a teen. These too are extremely dangerous fights. Charles was brilliant though so they collectively got away with that.
     
  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here's one for you. Nipper Pat Daly. Managed by one Professor Andrew Newton, Newton turned him pro at app. the age of 10 and he was retired (presumbaly spent) just before his 18th birthday after 120 pro bouts. I was astounded looking at his record that in 1928 at the age of 15 he engaged in 25 bouts that year and the following year at the age of 16 he had 33 bouts and about 20 of them over those 2 years went 15 rounds. The kindly Professor Andrew Newton was quoted as saying, "The lad thrives on hard work." Hmmmmmm...
     
  9. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Kalambay didn't seem to have much backing behind him until late in his career.

    An experienced amatuer that turns pro at 24 should have been moved quicker and more purposefully, but instead toiled for years fighting a typical italian schedule of cans, fringe contenders and the odd 2nd tier American thrown in seemingly at random.

    It lead to a rather purposeless grind and somewhat of a learning experience against a stylistically tough opponent in Kalule when he did step up, which was the kind of fight he should have had a couple of within 2-3 of going pro.

    Oddly during that early-mid 80s period the Italian boxing scene seemed to have invested everything in hyping the rather more obviously flawed LaRocca...while also keeping him matched safely and pretty poorly.Even somewhat at the expense of local amatuer stars like oliva.
     
  10. Chuck1052

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    It is my understanding that Nipper Pat Daly's downfall was hastened when he was trying to make weight as a growing teenager. If that is true, it is a prime example of terrible management.

    I believe that Charley Burley would have jumped at the chance to have Ezzard Charles' management. It may be that Charles' management may have overmatched him in a bout or two, but he went on to get good paydays on a regular basis and become a world champion, unlike Burley. Under the circumstances, I think that Charles had far better management than Burley during his career.

    Managing a young fighter is a fine art, especially when it comes to matching him with the right fighters at the right time. The drawback to having a young fighter being overmatched is obvious. Having a young fighter facing stiffs on an exclusive basis means that he isn't learning nearly enough to be ready to cope with the best fighters. In addition, the young fighter usually is making far less money fighting stiffs than he would fighting better competition.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
  11. BillB

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    I put Cus D'Amato's management of Floyd Patterson in that category.
    Granted he wormed Patterson into the championship, but he made him the most protected champion ever.
    During Patterson's reign, he was ridiculed by every serious fan.
     
  12. salsanchezfan

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    Doug touched on it, but this is completely, categorically incorrect. His management is there to first protect him from getting turned into jelly by being overmatched and physically damaged, and also to make him money. This being the only reason he's doing the boxing thing at all, correrct? Okay then. Check and check. Wonderful job of managing him, actually.

    Fighters are not built so they can appear on the "P4P" lists of ESB'ers years later. No fighter cares or should care about such silliness. Their only responsibility is to make bank while they can.
     
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    He almost was! Charles was knocked down about 8 times in his final two fights before serving in the army. The war came just in time for Ezzard, he got a three year year break from boxing coming back bigger and wiser whilst still a young man to start his post war career.
     
  14. McGrain

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    He was past-prime for Marciano.
     
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    Bernard Taylor
    Mitch Green
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