Lmao Dubblechin trippin The LHWs today aren't great. The last "great" LHW was Roy Jones Jr, who was chinny anyways. Lmao there aren't LHWs who beat Wilder? There isn't a LHW fighter in history who can replicate what Spzilka did for 3 more rounds? Lol what a clown. Byrd beats Wilder Toney beats Wilder Spinks beats Wilder Loughran beats Wilder Furthermore, Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Floyd Patterson, Gene Tunney and Billy Conn vs Wilder are all 50-50s... He could lose to anyone of them.
Shavers has an ATG right hand. Liston can punch with either hands! His jab can knock you out Louis was methodical and best heavyweight technician. Pure predator in the ring and kayoed the best opposition (Rated contenders). Foreman had a thudding pole axe left jab, killer uppercuts and can punch with each hands. Wilder can also punch like a mule but his opposition is poor. Shavers has Jimmy Young, Ellis and Norton on his resume regardless if Norton was washed up, that is better than anyone on Wilder's resume.
Go on, Cec. Talk us through why. Interesting answer and I for one wouldn't disagree wholeheartedly. I'd be interested to hear your reasoning.
Again, Jimmy Young had a record of 7-3 and weighed 199 pounds when Shavers beat him. He is not better than anyone on Wilder's resume. Jimmy Ellis hadn't beaten anyone with a winning record in years leading up to the Shavers fight and had already lost eight times before he got in the ring with Shavers. Wilder has better guys than Jimmy Ellis on his resume. And Shavers fought a lot of bad fighters who he not only didn't stop but who also beat him. If you're measuring who is the biggest puncher, you just can't ignore all the guys Shavers faced who went the distance with him or straight up beat him. If he didn't knock them out, that doesn't help his case.
Baer lost to lesser men at the start of his career, when he was briefly champ, and when he was older. You can't just dismiss it with a wave and say he was thrown to the wolves early. Some of those wolves had losing records and were supposed to be sheep. And they still lasted the distance or beat him. Finally, Wilder is the WBC champion. He fights WBC contenders. He won the title from the WBC champion. He's made 10 defenses of the WBC title againt WBC challengers. He's going to make his 11th WBC title defense in the spring against another WBC-ranked challenger. He won regional WBC titles from WBC-ranked fighters before that. He's been fighting WBC ranked fighters for years. There weren't just four.
Ko's are much more than "hitting hard". Timing, accuracy, judging the distance, angles and surprise. All are major factors in Ko's. Also something rarely mentioned is the abilities of the opponents, does the opponents have the ability to "ride" punches for instance. ( Something rarely seen in heavyweight boxers today, thus, a fighter like Wilder may look like a dynamic puncher and he is. But his competition is made to get KO'ed. ) For me, the hardest punchers are Foreman, Shavers, Lyle, and believe it or not Cooney, if were going on a one shot basis. And if I had to pick one,,,,,, Foreman, based on the caliber of fighters he stopped with just a few clean punches. But, Joe Louis and Mike Tyson would be the most complete punchers as far as all the attributes that contributes to being a KO artist.
When rating punchers, who a puncher DOESN'T stop matters, too. Guys like Roberto Davila, Levi Forte, Bigfoot Martin, Crawford Grimsley, Lou Savarese, Shannon Briggs, Axel Shulz, Alex Stewart and Tommy Morrison all went the distance with Foreman. Guys like Scott Ledoux, Stan Ward, Larry Middleton, Gregorio Peralta (twice), Bob Stallings*, Manuel Ramos, Leroy Caldwell all went the distance with Ron Lyle. Guys like Matt Robinson, Sam McGill and Eddie Lopez all went the distance with Cooney. Guys like Stan Johnson, Vicente Rondon, Bob Stallings*, Ron Stander, Bernardo Mercado, Leroy Boone, Ali Haakem, Walter Santemore and Quick Tillis all went the distance or beat Shavers. A lot of boxers found those guys "made to get KOed." (I think Tillis alone was stopped a dozen times.) But Shavers, Foreman, Lyle and Cooney didn't. *In fact, how does Bob Stallings go the distance with Shavers and Lyle, but get knocked out by Jack Bodell and "Blue" Lewis? The undefeated 6'9" boxer/puncher Tyson Fury is the only man Wilder has faced who he hasn't stopped (although he had him down twice). And he's fighting Fury again next. Wilder's the best puncher out of the bunch.
VK is a arm puncher......end of.......and his KO's came against totally washed up has beens. What exactly is VK's signature win......TKO 6 ?
how can you rate Wilder so fast with hi opposition? You need his whole career to do a proper assessment
Well I certainly know this opinion can be knocked down and Lewis has a reputation for being cautious especially in the Holyfield and Tua fights. I was just mainly thinking about his most devastating performances and the effect his punches had on those opponents stood out. The first right hand that floored Ruddock, you would think someone has whipped his legs away with a rope.The single right hand that took out an admittedly faded Weaver when on the way up.The near one punch blow out of Rahman. The destruction of Golota was devastating, and it didn’t take that many blows, once again the first right was the punch that did the damage. A single left hook turned the Bruno fight.The damage wreaked on Morrison, Briggs, Botha and Grant. He could do it with the overhand right, the uppercut and the left hook. I just think sometimes his sheer power is overlooked and he was doing it right at the very top. In any discussion for the hardest hitter ever, he should be up there.
I remember seeing an interview with nigel benn one time. He said something like "stuff moves on, man". He went on to explain how the greats of yesteryear would almost certainly get battered by the current crop. Why? Well, everything really. The overall bar of entry is higher, people are more athletic and know much more about nutrition and body mechanics. For me, when I see Dempsey, Louis and Liston I see greats of their era, but I imagine, for example, that the best fighters of the last ten years would either clown them or nail them to the canvas in short order. Yeah I know I'll get grief for the view. Cue everyone telling me about technique and 15 rounds and so on. But I just don't see it. I think dillian whyte - bog standard gatekeeper - would KO Dempsey in 3.
Twenty-two guys faced Tyson and Foreman and didn't get knocked out. There's only one guy Wilder has faced who he didn't stop ... and he dropped that guy twice.
