Patterson's ''china chin"?

knockdowns due to his style of fighting, off-balance etc.

 

But if that were true, wouldn't Tyson have also hit the deck with similar frequency? (I'm assuming you're chalking up Floyd's knockdowns in part to his squared up peek-a-boo posture.)

I suspect some of those earlier knockdowns might be attributed to a certain degree of inexperience and physical immaturity. Also, he was something of a slow starter with only three career first round knockouts. All the knockdowns Patterson ever sustained occurred within the first five rounds, so far as I can determine. (And that fifth round knockdown was in the first match with Ali, an attrition result when his back was screwed up.) Only the trigger fisted JQ produced multiple knockdowns on Floyd after Liston II. Machen, Chuvalo, Powell, Cooper, Herring and Ellis might all have been expected to deck Patterson during the late 1950s, but he remained upright against all of them a decade later.

 

tyson had a lower centre of gravity and was generally more compact. different physiques. shorter, heavier etc.

 

Floyd Patty has a better chin then Tinfoil Tyson. Both got KO'd 5 times, But Floyd was KO'd by BETTER COMP - teh GOAT Ali X2, ATG puncher Liston X2 And big puncher Ingo Bingo. Tyson got KO'd by a fat pikey tomato bum, a featherfisted journeyman, a past-primer Holyfield, a uk domestic level danny willy, And a 37 yr OLD Lenny Lewis.

 

there's more to knock-outs than chin, hook.

foreman got knocked out by ali because he was exhausted, remember?

 

He wasn't the most durable guy out there but being knocked out by Sonny Liston doesn't mean you have a glass chin.

 

you are biased agaisnt tyson, hook.. it is becoming funny. alltough tyson ain't a favorite of mine you have to be honest..
bringing up tyson fights when he was way past it and not properly trained ??
second.. watch all mike's fights and you have to admit his chin was decent enough.
he took enough to proove it...

 

Pattersons a fine champion, always gave his all. I wouldnt say he has a 'glass chin' either. I think his KO's could be reasonabley argued as a case of being a slow starter as they came real early in his fights. OK, im not gonna say they were the prime reason as Liston and Ingo were pretty good punchers too. Which brings me to another thing, Frazier always gets kudos (and rightly so) for the way he kept gettin up against Foreman but what about Floyd? Ive rarely seen it mentioned on here

 

Tyson's knockout were more due to him gettin the **** kicked out of him for a bunch of rounds or stamina problems. He took howitzer shot's from Razor Ruddock and Lennox Lewis broke his hand from hitting him on the chin. He had a good chin.

 

Agreed ... he for the most part was vulnerable to flash knockdowns ...

Against Ingo, a huge puncher, he kept getting up ... he did not go to sleep like Charles v.s. Walcott.

Sonny in my opinion was the hardest puncher of any heavyweight champion and could do that to anyone he could hit.

His "china chin" is blown way out of proportion ...

 

Yes, and it should be made note of more often. Even when he was counted out against Liston, he was getting up when the referee reached "ten!" and would have beaten a slower count on both occasions. Ingo should have killed him with that second knockdown shot in 1959, when Floyd had his head turned and wasn't protecting himself. (Patterson was so dazed and confused by the punch producing the first knockdown that when he saw Goldstein counting upon getting up, he thought he himself had scored a knockdown and began walking to a neutral corner.) Not only did Floyd keep getting up, he was actually punching back between some of the subsequent knockdowns, the key reason Goldstein let it continue as long as he did. (Ruby should have stopped it when Patterson turned away after the first knockdown, just as Lou Magnolia did when Loughran turned away from Sharkey, and Schmeling from Max Baer. Once a boxer turns away and is not protecting himself, that should be all, title on the line or not.)

Liston's lights were put completely out by Martin, as Ingo's lights were by Floyd's legendary title regaining "Left Hook from Hell," and Louis was rendered utterly motionless in the dirt by Schmeling, but nobody ever came close to doing this to Patterson, a testament in part to the virtues of first rate conditioning, as well as heart. He was proud of the fact that no heavyweight champion ever got back to his feet more, and justifiably so.

 

Patterson didnt have a great chin as the division progressed. Guys were getting physically bigger, stronger and heavier than him and he could no longer sustain their shots.
Look at Holyfield for example, basically the same thing happened with him, yet he could handle their shots.