Jack Johnson's Power ???

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  1. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Pretty good analogy ... however he did tee off on Willard time and again and could not budge him ... comparing that to Dempsey you see a huge jump in power to the Mauler ..
     
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  2. Armstrong!

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    Dempsey's one of the hardest punchers of all time, though.
     
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  3. mcvey

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    Different Willard's though one was a trained to the minute challenger facing a fat 37 year old Champ,the other scenario was the reverse.
     
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  4. MRBILL

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    In 1915, Jess Willard was still under age 35 and a lean 230 pounds in Cuba..... Meanwhile, Jack Johnson was 37 and reported to be a soft 227 pounds in Cuba.... Two fighters in two different directions.....

    Come 1919 in Ohio, Jess Willard was a soft 245 and over age 35 and had been horribly inactive as champion.... Jess showed up with a guaranteed huge check for 1919 and basically was willing to lose to Jack Dempsey so he could go farm some land and break horses in Kansas.....

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  5. he grant

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    True a different Willard but Dempsey got him 30 seconds in when he was quite fresh ( although maybe not properly warmed up ) ...
     
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  6. Mendoza

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    Johnson's weight is debatable. What many forget to mention is that Willard himself was 34 years old, with only 24 fights, and had only gone past 12 rounds once in his career to date.

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  7. mcvey

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    Willard had 29 fights and was 33 years old.
    So that's two figures you gave, both wrong.
     
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  8. mcvey

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    What's debatable about his weight? He scaled 225lbs,the heaviest he had weighed up to that point,4 lbs more than he did for Moran when he was as fat as pig,the figure is correct ,unlike your two figures for Willard who was 33 ,and had 29 fights up to that time.Not 34years old ,and 24 ,fights. Willard had gone 20 rds with Gunboat Smith so he had no worries about stamina.

    Willard trained like a dog for the fight, banging his sparring partners around,whereas Johnson clowned with his [Armstrong,and McVey].
    The New York Herald said," Johnson is fat to the point of paunch".

    Keep your agenda coming ,and I'll keep blowing it out of the water.

    You might notice I didn't give Johnson credit for being a big puncher.

    It's called being objective.something you couldn't even spell ,let alone comprehend.
     
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  9. Mendoza

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    Box rec says Willard was 20-3-1 on Johnson's page. That is 24 fights. Perhaps they are not counting the news paper decisions.

    [url]1915-04-05[/url]225[url]Jess Willard[/url]238½
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    It is interesting to note that Willard had little boxing experience. If he had any amateur experience, that's news to me. He was only a pro since 1911, knocking Johnson out in 1915. As I mentioned before, Willard had only gone past 12 rounds once prior to meeting Johnson, and that was in a losing effort.
     
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  10. mcvey

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    Having been challenged on Willard's number of fights anyone who had any kind of sense would have immediately looked on his box rec page would they not?
    Can't you find it in yourself to just say ,ok I was WRONG? About his number of fights ,and also his age?
    **** me, I am pissed,just got in from a very good jazz session, but you are something else in ,I dont know how many posts you have made , but you have never conceded you were WRONG.

    You do my job for me.:patsch
    Do you think you are fooling anyone except yourself?
    You sad clown.:-(
     
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  11. heehoo

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    I'd say his power was like Larry Holmes - not one punch, but more than enough to keep an opponent from wanting to trade with him.
     
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  12. Mendoza

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    I was quoting something from Box rec on his total number of fights leading up to the Johnson match that was wrong. So what.

    However, like I said it is interesting to note that Willard had little boxing experience. If he had any amateur experience, that's news to me. He was only a pro since 1911, knocking Johnson out in 1915. As I mentioned before, Willard had only gone past 12 rounds once prior to meeting Johnson, and that was in a losing effort.

    As for perpetuating lies, why don't you show me a weather report which said it was over 100 degrees in April. :lol:
     
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  13. mcvey

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    So what? You were wrong, about his fights and also his age ,can't you just admit it?
    People might begin to have a modicum of respect for you, if you could bring your self to say those three words."I was wrong".


    How the hell would I find a weather report that is nearly a hundred years old?
    I'll go with the testimony of writers ,Willard ,and promoter Barney Curley ,who were actually there.
     
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