haye remedy for wladimirs holding

Its just as bad that Wlad holds guys and leans on them. It really does sap a guys energy. It worked well but Haye took it to the extreme. He should have stopped after he got Wlad to stop doing it.

 

In the first couple rounds, I almost found it clever. He just WAY over did it.:yep

 

The best hold and lean on men I have seen were Ali, then Lenox and only in third palce is Wlad....Lenox and Wlad learned that from Stewart.

Ali was by far the best at setting up a clinch and making it look like the otherman was resposnible.....but why clinch against Ali when you finally got him where you wanted him...in close.
Nope, Ali was the very best at clinching and leaning...

his hold by the neck and shake was also unmatched...Frazer 2......

Clinching is part of the game....there is ways around that....watch the Toy Bulldog Walker some day...on Youtube...it's called infighting.Something Haye did not even try to do.

 

I first thought - 'hmmm, interesting tactic', but it was milked beyond belief and soon became tedious and unnecessary. He wasn't just going down when he was being leaned on, he was going down if Wlad even slightly pushed down on him with his glove.

It was definitely worth trying to use a tactic to try and counteract Wlad's leaning as it is clearly energy sapping, but it could have been done better. Instead of just falling to the ground, why not just squat down? It provides the same effect in that it gets you out from under Wlad's weight, it highlights to the ref that Wlad is leaning and it doesn't look stupidly theatrical.

Instead of simply trying to counteract Wlad's leaning it seems as though Haye was equally concerned with drawing the ref's attention to it and provoke some punishment. This was a stupid idea.

 

Clinching is not leaning on the back of your opponents head and putting all your weight down on them. The natural reaction is to try and support the person leaning on you and thats just not fair it saps all your energy and its illegal..

 

I don't know if it was meant to get points taken away but it was a way of highlighting Wlads tendency to lean on his opponents.

Maybe he should have just squatted as Shaunster says. Nevertheless, had Wlad not been leaning, Haye would not have been dropping.

There was no in-fighting from either fighter.

 

It was a pretty good tactic. I found it real clever. You have to remember that Wladimirs holding has two purposes: Sapping energy and avoiding shots while the other guy is in on him.
Haye did a great job avoiding the first consequence as he remained quite fresh throughout the fight. It's just that Wladimir has such a great height based defense when he react immediatly at his opponent's actions.

And great kudos to Haye. Ihaven't seen slipping like that since Sweet Pea. He is indeed very talented.

 

It's no worse than Wlad having to clinch and lean on an opponent because he can't fight on the inside. You have to do what you need to get an advantage and minimise your opponents advantages as long as it's not a foul, I don't see any problem with either boxers tactic.

It's a tactic both used effectively and the point deduction Haye got out of it was really the only success he had last night. He over did it though after the point deduction. He proved his point but took it too far.

 

Yeah so much for The Dark Lord, seeing how confident Haye said it at the face off I was expecting alot more than just tumbling to the floor

 

Haye looked quite pathetic towards the end though and Haye went down from a jab that missed. Add to that the constant looking to the ref with a look saying "Hey dude help me out here, Wlad is trying to hit me!!!!".

Left a sour taste in the mouth. This wasn't a kinderbarden brawl, this was a world title fight.

 

I don't have a problem with trying something to stop holding/clenching, but yeh, he took it all the way too far, in fact he kept looking at the ref and most of the time I had no idea why??????? The flops aside. A sign he was clearly not mentally in the fight anymore after the first few rounds. I feel he came to survive, and he did that well, however thats a big cheat to the fans.

 

I have to disagree mate. I think it at least shows and element of preparation and thought going into the fight. They watch Wlad's previous fights and see his Wlad repeatedly leaning his 17st frame on his opponents and sapping their energy and at least tried something to stop it - they just over did it to the point of farce.

You say it shows Haye was in over his head, but he's probably the first Wlad opponent in ages who hasn't allowed his energy to be sapped by Wlad's leaning. All his over opponents have just let Wlad get on with it. Compare it with Chambers, who tried lifting Wlad up everytime he leant on him.