Klitschko vs Haye

I would of had Haye throwing 3 and 4's, and looking to follow up his attacks, as I think we saw signs this was effective for Haye when he threw combinations and looked to follow up, problem is, he was throwing two many singles and so falling short, probably because he was loading up so much. Its harder to throw combinations and advance foward to follow up when your throwing with power. I would get Haye to use his speed to rattle the combinations off, and his power once he's got his feet into position. I think Haye would have some success doing this, but there could be a small window of opportunity to significantly disorganize and hurt Wlad, before Wlad picks up a counter and makes him pay a price for trying to follow up his combinations.

Call me crazy, but I might of explored whether Haye could of been able to jab with Wlad. Brock actually did well with the jab when he stepped upto the pocket, and tried to compete with the jab, now Haye might not be able to do that, but I think it might of been of use when shooting with his attacks, or if just to use it to break up Wlad's rhythm somewhat.

 

A lot of what I think has already been covered, but Haye should of jabbed. You don't need to be able to outjab him, but use it to close the range and set punches up.

 

I agree. 5 10, 220 Tyson did have problems with Lewis, but a prime Tyson was a force to contend with, and may have had more success than the version that showed up that night in 2002.

 

I purposely left out McCline etc. because the previous poster made the statement that BOTH Klitschko brothers have avoided large men since Vitali's loss to Lennox Lewis, so I only include large boxers from that date onward. Regardless, I agree with you 100%. I would say that although there are advantages for Wlad/Vitali in facing smaller boxers, there are other different advantages when facing someone your own size. Larger boxers are naturally slower (generalization). Vs. a larger boxer, Wladimir and Vitali's skills shine more than their size reinforcing there greatness. Can you imagine either one vs. Valuev, it would be a slaughter. I harbor no ill will towards the man, but man would I like to see either brother knock him out.

 

I thought Merchant was too tough on Haye after the fight. It wasn't a lack of effort or anything else. He just ran into the same reality all other HW's have. I wonder if that tone wasn't due to the extra hype but same results factor.

I'm starting to wonder if the Klitschko's would in fact have been very successful in any era of HW boxing.

Maybe, these days, it's worth creating an informal title called the best non-Klitshcko HW.

 

If Kessler had fought jr. ww's he would have fared very well I guess.

 

My thoughts...


The SIZE excuse is BS. This is the HW division where size difference is the NORM.

Haye cashed out. Plain and simple. He knew he had no chance. Unfortunately, the only victims are the die hard British fans.

Wlad is a robot but good enough to be the dominant force in this era. While Haye fan thinks he is boring and the era is not that good, it also means your man Haye is really not that good either.

Wlad would get killed by ATGs of the past like Ali, Foreman, and probably even Tyson (harder for him because of size difference)

 

Well the thing is, this was a big event watched by a big international audience, and Klitschko as HW champ has a responsibility to represent the sport of boxing. But he has a style that is based on trying to eliminate any possibility of exchanges, and turning his fights into as little of an actual fight as possible. From a competitve standpoint it's brilliant, and he executes it to perfection. But what mainstream sports fan or casual boxing fan is going to be any more attracted to the sport by these kind of fights?

 

To bad Klitschko didnt know about the broken Toe. He couldve stomped on his foot.

 

It looked like part of Haye's gameplan was to fall down everytime Klit. leaned on him ,to try and get points taken, (which worked early on) , but the ref caught on to the plan and corrected the score with the fake knockdown. It seems that Haye would of tried to fight on the inside with the quicker hands. He seemed to be content with finishing the fight on his feet and not take the necessary chances to win.

 

Fair play. Obviously alot of the criticism and venom aimed at Haye is due to his mouth and bluster over the past few years. He was in there competing in my view, just not in the manner he said he would. The cautious approach, combined with the push downs/fall downs was bound to draw criticism of his efforts and approach in comparison to his promises.

 

don't think that a rematch would sell. david took a pretty good shot I was surprised he lasted the distance.

 

My remark is correct,please explain how it isn't ?
Haye promised aggression,Haye promised to outclass Wlad,and Haye said he'd KO Wlad.He did none of these.
He realised in the 1st round that Wlad is much quicker than he looks,is very hard to hit,and punches much harder than he thought.
Haye then spent the rest of the fight on the back foot,lunging in with single shots 2 or 3 times a round.
He was totally negative,and didn't commit himself as he promised.As has been said constantly,if size is the main ingredient for success then why was Valuev so poor and Tyson so good ?
Haye is not good enough to beat any of the Klits,he never was,but i'll give him credit for one thing.......He fooled a lot of people into thinking he was good enough,both the general public and some boxing fans were taken in by the hype.