Boring boxers

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by cesare-borgia, Jul 3, 2011.


  1. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    There are a lot of comments on Wladimir being boring and killing the division because of it. This is more frequent than people giving compliments for his skills and dominance.
    Lets compare it to other fighters who were/are considered boring:

    - Bernard Hopkins
    - Lennox Lewis
    - Larry holmes
    - Floyd mayweather
    - Andre Direll
    - Carlos Monzon
    - Emille Griffith
    - Winky Wright
    - Pernell Whitaker
    - Ezzard Charles
    -Corey Spinks
    - Sergio Mora
    - Chris Byrd
    - James toney


    A lot of these guys were considered boring at the time they fought yet nowadays they are appreciated for their skills and longetivity.
    People point out their technical skills and how effective it is.
    If so, why can't we appreciate klitschko's technical boxing and domination of the division. why do we have to have so many hate threads now only to respect the guy in 15/20 years and consider him a atg?
    Im not a fan of wlad myself to be honest but his style and domination is impressive an ddeserves credit, last night he beat a man that was supposed to be the biggest thread to his reign yet still people discredit him,, its true that the division is weak but wlad is doing what he is supposed to be doing, its not fair to discredit him because he is too technical and not an American.
     
  2. Post Box

    Post Box I'm back too, bitches Full Member

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    I would only class a few of them as 'boring'
     
  3. TheDon

    TheDon KO Artist Full Member

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    Pernell Whitaker and James Toney? I haven't seen their whole back catalogs, but in the fights I have seen both were VERY entertaining. Especially Toney.
     
  4. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    You really can't compare what Wlad did last night with most of the fighters you have named. Fighter who have fought like Wlad like Ruiz and Ottke have been rightly vilified by their critics.

    Hopkins threw more than double the amount of power punches against Pascal at the age of 46 than Wlad in his prime did against Haye. He landed 100 more power punches than Wlad did despite throwing less than Wlad!

    Lewis could be overly tactical like in his performance against Tua but he could also go to war in performances against Mercer, Grant, Vitali, Briggs, Ruddock and Golota.

    Whitaker and Toney often took chances and stood right in front of their opponents and countered any mistakes, Wlad refused to pull the trigger all to often against Haye.
     
  5. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    I agree especially about whitaker, but its not weird to get why people found him boring back in the day, he wouldnt ko his opponents just school them for 12 rounds, defensive boxers in general are viewed as boring, people prefer hagler hearns type wars, especially nowadays when every match is compared to ufc or mma.
     
  6. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    Me personally I dont think most of these guys are boring only a few, however with all these guys that were considered boring when they fought they all got more credit when they retired, we look back upon these boxers as great skilled boxers who got results, im just saying the same will happen to wlad, the division could be worse with bums trading belts atleast now there is control.
    I have seen worse fights from wlad than the one last night, atleast now he wasnt clinching so often.
     
  7. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Personally I like technical fighters. I have always appreciated boxers like Hopkins, Whitaker and Wright, nothing wrong with being able to slip punches and control an opponent with movement. But all these guys also knew how to counter with power punches.

    I am glad I have not seen too many Wlad fights if that wasn't his worst performance, I can't imagine a much more passive performance than that.
     
  8. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    The ones highlighted I understand people calling them boring but the rest naw. Ezzard was pretty watchable. He was fluid and his fights during his small reign ended with nice ko's such as against Valentino & Satterfield plus his fights with Marciano were exciting.

    Whitaker, a few times but he was a joy to watch and his fights with Roger and Chavez were far from boring.

    Wright, a few occassions but most of his fights were not boring he was actually exciting most of the times as it's a myth he was boring.

    Hopkins has only really been boring against RJJ(first fight was scrappy and he was inexperienced and green while the second fight was two old guys looking their age), Calzaghe(Calzaghe's wildness didn't work against him and he was so nullified plus with Hopkins' very low workrate he fight was a little interesting but mainly boring), and most of the fights with John David & Hakkar.

    Larry Holmes could be boring but like B-hop, it depends on his opponent. He was mainly exciting as Wlad was and I feel many people forget that.

    Lewis & Mayweather just dominate people making one-sided fights but the only "meh" fights I've seen from him is against Baldomir, Marquez, & Castillo rematch. Floyd's problem is that for several years he hasn't fought guys that have a chance to beat him making the results of his fights VERY predictacle hence a boring pattern(To a degree, Wlad's endings are predicatable too but he fights everyone unlike Floyd).


    Wladimir dominates fights and only goes for the ko if Manny is yelling for it to happen. He does everything right except backing up in straight lines but the guy is a legend and a master of the sport. He believes in not trying too hard to get the ko as he doesn't want to give his opponents more chances to open up(like Floyd has been in recent years). His style post-Brewster hasn't been the best to watch or exciting but he goes in their and dominates getting the ko most of the times, you really can't hate on that. Even post Brewster there's still worthy fights to watch from him(Brewster 2 though that was sad, Wlad opened up more), Byrd 2(Same as Brewster 2), and Peter 2(Not sad like the others but this time Wlad got the ko and was more composed). As far as his adapting, he fought more calm in the rematch with Peter and didn't back up everytime he felt pressue or clinch awkwardly. Wlad may do the patter jab, paw, jab, jab, paw, jab, grab, jab, jab, straight,etc. in most of his fights now but it's effective and hasn't failed him. I'm upset he didn't open up more even a little(for ex: when Haye had his hands VERY low in the beginning) and go for the ko but he did control the fight completely and as a boxer that's what you want to do.
     
  9. The_President

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    The Klits are merely oversized Super HW bums!!!

    Boxing really needs the Super HW division, separate from the HW division, where we can force these two bums into along with the other Russian Bum, Valeuv.
     
  10. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    we dont need more divisions:p
     
  11. Speak.King

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    I have nothing against Kitscho, but I would love to see more aggresiveness and dominance for someone who towers over and outweighs most of his opponents.
     
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  13. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    You sum it up perfectly, I agree with everything said, wlad perhhaps could have stopped haye but why risk it when youre winning of of the most important fights of your careers, opening up trying to stop haye would mean he risks getting hit by one of those swings, why risk it when your outboxing your man, wlad had everythng to lose last night and he took care of business like he was supposed to. for this fight it makes perfect sense for me that he fought like that in the end, but there have been other fights like vs chagaev,ibragimov and chambers that he could have finished his opponents who didnt have the punchers chance haye had at that point yet he was waiting and not taking any risks, thats the only thing that annoys me but it doesnt matter much in the grand scheme of things.
     
  14. cesare-borgia

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  15. pinzon

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    Opinion on some of those is very divided. A lot of people find Whitaker, Winky, Mayweather's style entertaining with the movement, making fighters look silly, etc.

    Virtually everyone finds the Klitschkos boring.