no way in hell does wlad nor haye beat holyfield to 90 to 96

Hi i suffer from "the-good-old-times-was-so-much-better" syndrome.
Sonny Liston would hammer Wladimir klitschko to the earth using haye as a war club, while jumping on Vitali and Chagaev, after that he would defend his title for 20 years, he would beat all these "eastern euro bums", he would fight two of them in every of his title defenses, since they are so unskilled and predictable.. The 70's Steelers would also destroy the current Green bay Packers, no doubt..
Apparently no athletes posses skills anymore and it all happened at the same time boxing became a global sport and the americans stopped dominating every weight division, what a coincidence

 

Now look, you arent giving klitchko's enough credit here. I have seen lennox in muich worse condition than that. The announcers just hyped it up as he was WAAAY out of shape.

First off, if he was so out of shape, he would have been out of it in the first round, because no out of shape boxer would have survived those blows from klitchko.

Lennox is a great great fighter, and its a shame there is no great heavy weights left aside from the 2 klitchkos.

 

Some similarities.

Wlad is much quicker, taller and has a more effective style.

 

:tired
Holyfield would clown Wald. Wlad is lucky he's much bigger than him

 

:roll: see this is why Klit fans get shitted on

 

Guys, you cant compare either Lennox of Wlad to Bowe.

Bowe is one of those rare big heavyweights who was comfortable on the inside, going to the body and coming up with sharp uppercuts with either hand.
Stylewise, because of Bowe's versatility to fight at long and short range, he was the much difficult matchup for Holyfield.

.....body shots and the uppercut is what got Holyfield in trouble in that epic now famous 10th round in his first fight with Bowe.

Lennox though not an inside fighter in the mold of Bowe, learned to throw a nice little uppercut on the inside when Emmanuel Steward started to train him.

Wlad it seems is'nt flexible enough to find the angles with his shots to make punches other than straight shots and hooks effective.

As I was watching Wlad's fight with Haye, I noticed Wlad did'nt throw a single punch to Haye's body.

As a big man working against Holyfield, you focus just on throwing shots to the head and never threatening to throw and land punches to the body, you're just going to get taken apart by a skilled great like Holyfield.

.......also whats got to be remembered is that Lewis did'nt face anywhere nears the Holyfield that Bowe faced.
Holyfield was 30 years old and near the prime of his physical abilities vs Bowe.
Holyfield faced Lewis 7 years later at 37 years old.

Excuse me, when you go from 30 to 37 years old, you lose alot of physical ability, most especially speed and quickness.....the two variables that are most important for a smaller fighter to be able to deal with a bigger one.

What I'm getting at is that a quicker and more speedier version of Holyfield beats the Lewis he faced as a 37 year old. It can be argued that the 37 year old Holyfield beat Lewis in their rematch as it is......certainly a quicker and speedier version would have done better.

To the topic of this thread, Wlad is a less faceted, less skilled version of even Lewis, not to mention the even more dimensional Bowe.


.......and you younger guys around here.....you have to stop envisioning Wlad against the Holyfield version that Lennox faced. Thats not near a prime Holyfield, though I would argue that even that Holyfield stood a good chance to beat the Wlad who imo offers less dimensions than Lennox Lewis.

No question in my mind however......out of the three, Bowe, Lewis, and Wlad......Holyfield has an the easier time with Wlad.

 

I was gonna say, divac, Holyfield was over the hill when he faced Lewis. He was starting downhill when he faced Bowe. I posted prime Holyfield one page back vs Douglas.

 

Holyfield slowly but progressively started losing his speed tand stamina through his heavyweight run.

Up to the Bowe fights, Holyfield had stamina to fight 3 minutes of every round.
The further away from 30 years old he became, the more he paced himself and fought in spurts.
.....by the time he hit 37 and fought Lennox Lewis, Holyfield was a spurt fighter. Whenever he exherted real energy in a round, he'd have to take the next off.
......and though his speed was still pretty good for a Heavyweight, it was no where near what it had been in his late 20's and even early 30's.

I thought Holyfield beat Lewis in their rematch, but even if one thinks Lewis edged it. That is some kind of feat for a small 37 year old Heavyweight like Holyfield to be competitive with a prime version of Lennox Lewis, because indeed according to Emmanuel Steward and most experts, the version of Lewis that faced Holyfield, was the prime version.

 

I don't think Evander goes to distance. Holyfield is a great counter-puncher but in no way he could counter those rangy jabs and non-committed straight rights. Oh yea, he's probably as fast as Haye but not as elusive mover, Wlad would catch him.

 

Holyfield can take a pretty damn good punch

 

Wlad is less faceted - I agree with you. But keeping the range and punishing from the outside Wlad is better then either Lenox or Bowe.

I am not sure about your fascination with Bowe though. I have always considered him less then elite, A- maybe.

 

He sure could, but considering he is not as elusive as Haye, how many punches can he take in?

 

Klitschko wouldn't have been the only person to beat holyfield,,,I say hayes speed, boxing skills, an power would of been a tough match for holyfield, i saw that yesterday, no question hayes with a slower holfield, without wlads power or defensive skills would of been in trouble with hayes........

 

I got news for you guys...........................No one gives a **** about this crap, it cant happen and will not happen and it comes across as bollocks, you cant prove ****, every elite guy you care to mention had **** nights and guys they looked crap against and even lost against, and your telling me a 6ft 6 strong as **** guy with a elite jab and heavy right when he throws it aint gonna cause any one trouble.......yeah right