Holy,Lewis,Tyson vs last nights Wlad

Thank you for finally seeing my point.

Tyson was destroyed by a journeyman, while Wlad was made better by one and now is undefeated for 7 years.

 

Buster wasn't a journeyman that night, and Sanders, at the time he beat Vlad, was a very dangerous fighter as well.

Wlad-Holy isn't a lock for Wlad, but I would favor him and so would the bookies. Wlad would come in a HUGE underdog against Tyson or Lewis, for obvious reasons.

Vitali is tougher than Wlad, and a better fighter overall, and he got beat by a past his prime Lewis. You can try to say whatever about that fight, but Lewis was well on his way to stopping Vitali and if he hadn't got stopped by the cut he would have got KTFO, and I like Vitali a LOT so I'm not some hater. Prime Lewis would probably comfortably outpoint either brother with a very good chance of KTFO Wlad.

 

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I disagree on almost every point. No need to argue it though, you are clearly delusional.

 

:good Yes most definitely... I made a similar comment on another thread earlier... SOmeone said Wlad would not let him get inside and would hold him..... I disagreed, Evander always came in with a Plan B if Plan A wasnt working.. Had a great corner,Ring general and excellent boxing skills when he felt like it.

Underrated as a boxer because in his heart he would rather go to war... Always better in rematches(Lewis,Bowe,Moorer.Qawi) ... Only guy i ever .saw that frustrated a prime Holy.. Was master boxer Holmes(no shame in that) so younger Holy just outworked him. Dont count Moorer fight(he was ill)

 

Tyson was no longer prime in the 90s.. But he was still a force and wouild have rolled over all of Wlads comp.. Yes even the 90s Tyson. The 90s Mike also would have rendereed Sanders unconscious and was still much better than Brewster ever was.. Only other loss was to an atg Holyfield... Lewis got him at the end.. And i believe 1o or 11 yrs after the Douglas loss.

 

How many ATGs has Wladimir fought?? He's fought none. And no, if he fought Holyfield now it would not count. Holy is pushing 50 these days.

Wlad's resume is littered with bums by comparison to those 3 past HW champions.

It's also hard to knock out a guy when all you want to do is prod with a very tentative jab and jump back 3 or 4 feet every time the overmatched Cruiserweight lunges or opens up. The big man with the height and weight advantage could have gone to the body and let his hands go a lot more than he did.

If Wlad would have opened up and actually thrown punches, Wlad could have knocked him out. If Haye would have dropped his hands....oh wait.. he DID. Wlad still didn't do ****. Manny was pleading with him to let his shots go.

The nuthuggery and excuses from certain Klitchko diehards is almost as bad as Haye's toe excuse for not doing anything he said he'd do...but not quite. This was another lackluster performance from Klitschko any way you look at it. It has to be looked at objectively, which a fanboy cannot do.

 

I think people greatly underrate your knowledge of boxing. Reading your posts time and again, it's clear that you know your stuff and have no bias either way. Thanks for such objectivity on these forums. :good

Too bad we don't have a time machine. Threads like these remind me of that.

 

LOL @ anyone picking any form of Holyfield over Wlad atsch

Boxing fans are some of the most delusional

 

Thanks Mike:good Thsoe opinions come from watching these fights and following all there fights from the start,back when they were active .

Get the feeling some younger fans (not all) here seem to get their opinions from watching these guys past their prime,guessing,heresay or talking outside their neck to for their own bias.

 

Good points with strong evidence backing them.

Holyfield definitely has a tough time against last nights Wlad. I'd favor last nights Wlad to UD him because he does not trade or give a counterpuncher any opportunities to make him pay. The fight might even be a stinker, full of holding etc, but an ugly win is still a win. I stand by my favoring of Klitschko here.

And yes, Bowe DID fight a small man's fight against Holyfield all three times. That played right into Holyfield's hands, even though Bowe did outfight him at his own game for 2 wins head to head. Bowe could have made things a lot easier on himself, but hey we wouldn't have the great trilogy if he did. Wlad, however, is one of the best ever at fighting tall. There is no doubt about that imo.

Prime Evander Holyfield has a MUCH better chance against Pre-Sanders Wlad. Holy has the tools to do better than Ross Purritty did against that version of Wlad. Wald use to let those hands go. Holy has the chin, ring intelligence, strength, and stamina to make Pre-Sanders Wlad fold like a cheap suit. Wlad never could handle adversity then, he gassed out and became discouraged when a guy kept his hands up and kept coming all night.

 

I think Even the faded Holy of the 2nd Lewis fight. Might pull it off, at least Pickem.....

 

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I just thought of something out of fairness. New thread: Holy, Lewis, Tyson vs last nights Haye.

All three stop Haye inside of 4 rounds. I'd bet the farm on that.

 

Yes and Prime Lewis and Tyson finish the majority of Wlads opponents quicker.... Some of these guys Wlad lets hang around get iced early by Lewis,Tyson..